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ZJX controller changes LJ45 flight crew to ZMA when questioned about frequency change. ZMA advises flight crew they are in restr airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 506473 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200103 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : vrb.vortac |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl single value : 33000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx.artcc artcc : zma.artcc |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Learjet 45 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : j79.airway |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 4600 flight time type : 85 |
| ASRS Report | 506473 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 3087 flight time type : 306 |
| ASRS Report | 506194 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : entry |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
On a part 91 repos flight from northeast philadelphia to vrb, we were level out of FL430 to FL390 north of ormond beach. We were talking to ZJX. We were cleared direct ormond beach direct vrb, which was plugged into the FMS. ZJX then cleared us to descend from FL390 to FL330 along the route. We acknowledged and descended. We did not have another radio call for some time. We noticed that we were only 60 or so mi from vrb, so we queried the center for lower. The controller acted surprised when we called him, and he informed us that we should be on another frequency. We called the next center sector and, he told us he was trying to contact us for the past 10 mins. He said that we were in a 'hot' restr area and that we should contact ZMA for lower. We explained we never got a handoff from ZJX. We called ZMA, they descended us, and we landed at vrb. My first officer and I discussed it, and neither of us recall the controller sending us to another controller. We may have been distraction with planning the approach and setting radios and navigation equipment. However, after this, we became more vigilant on radio calls and splitting up details and workloads.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZJX CTLR CHANGES LJ45 FLC TO ZMA WHEN QUESTIONED ABOUT FREQ CHANGE. ZMA ADVISES FLC THEY ARE IN RESTR AIRSPACE.
Narrative: ON A PART 91 REPOS FLT FROM NE PHILADELPHIA TO VRB, WE WERE LEVEL OUT OF FL430 TO FL390 N OF ORMOND BEACH. WE WERE TALKING TO ZJX. WE WERE CLRED DIRECT ORMOND BEACH DIRECT VRB, WHICH WAS PLUGGED INTO THE FMS. ZJX THEN CLRED US TO DSND FROM FL390 TO FL330 ALONG THE RTE. WE ACKNOWLEDGED AND DSNDED. WE DID NOT HAVE ANOTHER RADIO CALL FOR SOME TIME. WE NOTICED THAT WE WERE ONLY 60 OR SO MI FROM VRB, SO WE QUERIED THE CTR FOR LOWER. THE CTLR ACTED SURPRISED WHEN WE CALLED HIM, AND HE INFORMED US THAT WE SHOULD BE ON ANOTHER FREQ. WE CALLED THE NEXT CTR SECTOR AND, HE TOLD US HE WAS TRYING TO CONTACT US FOR THE PAST 10 MINS. HE SAID THAT WE WERE IN A 'HOT' RESTR AREA AND THAT WE SHOULD CONTACT ZMA FOR LOWER. WE EXPLAINED WE NEVER GOT A HDOF FROM ZJX. WE CALLED ZMA, THEY DSNDED US, AND WE LANDED AT VRB. MY FO AND I DISCUSSED IT, AND NEITHER OF US RECALL THE CTLR SENDING US TO ANOTHER CTLR. WE MAY HAVE BEEN DISTR WITH PLANNING THE APCH AND SETTING RADIOS AND NAV EQUIP. HOWEVER, AFTER THIS, WE BECAME MORE VIGILANT ON RADIO CALLS AND SPLITTING UP DETAILS AND WORKLOADS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.