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A B727 crew reported that they may have experienced a miscom with MMMX tower when entering runway 5R for position and hold. The tower claimed that they said, 'hold short of runway 5R.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 487959 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200010 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mmmx.airport |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : mmmx.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : mmmx.tower |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 487959 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
| ASRS Report | 487950 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued alert |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Possible miscom with MMMX tower. After crossing runway 5L, taxied on runway 5R displaced threshold. Tower advised to exit that runway area, as another aircraft was on final. I believe we were given 'clear to cross runway 5L, position and hold runway 5R,' but controller said it was 'cross runway 5L, hold short runway 5R.' we exited runway and made a 180 degree turn. After the other air carrier landed, we then entered the runway for takeoff. Controller said there was no problem, when questioned about the incident. No conflict occurred.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B727 CREW RPTED THAT THEY MAY HAVE EXPERIENCED A MISCOM WITH MMMX TWR WHEN ENTERING RWY 5R FOR POS AND HOLD. THE TWR CLAIMED THAT THEY SAID, 'HOLD SHORT OF RWY 5R.
Narrative: POSSIBLE MISCOM WITH MMMX TWR. AFTER XING RWY 5L, TAXIED ON RWY 5R DISPLACED THRESHOLD. TWR ADVISED TO EXIT THAT RWY AREA, AS ANOTHER ACFT WAS ON FINAL. I BELIEVE WE WERE GIVEN 'CLR TO CROSS RWY 5L, POS AND HOLD RWY 5R,' BUT CTLR SAID IT WAS 'CROSS RWY 5L, HOLD SHORT RWY 5R.' WE EXITED RWY AND MADE A 180 DEG TURN. AFTER THE OTHER ACR LANDED, WE THEN ENTERED THE RWY FOR TKOF. CTLR SAID THERE WAS NO PROB, WHEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THE INCIDENT. NO CONFLICT OCCURRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.