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An S80 flight crew gets chastised by the tower controller when ATC felt that the crew took too long to cross runway 17C with traffic on rollout at dfw, tx.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 483910 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200008 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 119 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi landing : roll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
| ASRS Report | 483910 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 483908 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 5000 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
ATC facility: dfw tower control. Location: taxiway er. While holding short of runway 17C at the VFR hold short line, we received clearance to cross runway 17C, which we responded to. At that point I said, 'that's strange he did not say hold short of runway 17R.' which we were going to do anyway. I looked down runway 17C as crossing and saw aircraft at a slow speed exiting the runway way down. As we exited the runway tower said, 'did you hear me X amount of times asking you to expedite?' we said 'no.' I looked down the runway again to see another commuter crossing runway 17C towards the departure end. ATC then continued to lecture, while crossing. If there is a need for a quicker than normal crossing ATC needs to give this in the initial clearance, so we can say yes or no. If an operational error occurred I would certainly like to know what it was, so I can learn from it for the future.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN S80 FLC GETS CHASTISED BY THE TWR CTLR WHEN ATC FELT THAT THE CREW TOOK TOO LONG TO CROSS RWY 17C WITH TFC ON ROLLOUT AT DFW, TX.
Narrative: ATC FACILITY: DFW TWR CTL. LOCATION: TXWY ER. WHILE HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 17C AT THE VFR HOLD SHORT LINE, WE RECEIVED CLRNC TO CROSS RWY 17C, WHICH WE RESPONDED TO. AT THAT POINT I SAID, 'THAT'S STRANGE HE DID NOT SAY HOLD SHORT OF RWY 17R.' WHICH WE WERE GOING TO DO ANYWAY. I LOOKED DOWN RWY 17C AS XING AND SAW ACFT AT A SLOW SPD EXITING THE RWY WAY DOWN. AS WE EXITED THE RWY TWR SAID, 'DID YOU HEAR ME X AMOUNT OF TIMES ASKING YOU TO EXPEDITE?' WE SAID 'NO.' I LOOKED DOWN THE RWY AGAIN TO SEE ANOTHER COMMUTER XING RWY 17C TOWARDS THE DEP END. ATC THEN CONTINUED TO LECTURE, WHILE XING. IF THERE IS A NEED FOR A QUICKER THAN NORMAL XING ATC NEEDS TO GIVE THIS IN THE INITIAL CLRNC, SO WE CAN SAY YES OR NO. IF AN OPERROR OCCURRED I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT WAS, SO I CAN LEARN FROM IT FOR THE FUTURE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.