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Flight crew of an medium large transport complaint points out that the terminology used by the las tower controller for ground holding locations is not the same as that shown in the commercial or NOAA airport diagrams.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 483270 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200008 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : las.airport |
| State Reference | NV |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : las.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 150 |
| ASRS Report | 483270 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| Airport | markings : las.airport procedure or policy : las.airport |
Narrative:
During taxi out from las, the ramp controller (frequency 124.4) gave us a taxi clearance reference the 'block house.' when we told him we did not know where the block house was, he gave us taxi clearance to spot xx. As we taxied by the 'block house,' the ramp controller pointed it out for future reference. I pointed out that it should be charted on the ramp taxi diagram (commercial chart 10-9B dated apr/99). He said they reference the 'block house' often during taxi clrncs and that we should pen it in on our charts. (This would not help out the rest of our pilots flying in and out of las.) if the 'block house' is going to be referenced by ramp control, it should be charted. It appears to be located in hold pad 2.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN MLG COMPLAINT POINTS OUT THAT THE TERMINOLOGY USED BY THE LAS TWR CTLR FOR GND HOLDING LOCATIONS IS NOT THE SAME AS THAT SHOWN IN THE COMMERCIAL OR NOAA ARPT DIAGRAMS.
Narrative: DURING TAXI OUT FROM LAS, THE RAMP CTLR (FREQ 124.4) GAVE US A TAXI CLRNC REF THE 'BLOCK HOUSE.' WHEN WE TOLD HIM WE DID NOT KNOW WHERE THE BLOCK HOUSE WAS, HE GAVE US TAXI CLRNC TO SPOT XX. AS WE TAXIED BY THE 'BLOCK HOUSE,' THE RAMP CTLR POINTED IT OUT FOR FUTURE REF. I POINTED OUT THAT IT SHOULD BE CHARTED ON THE RAMP TAXI DIAGRAM (COMMERCIAL CHART 10-9B DATED APR/99). HE SAID THEY REF THE 'BLOCK HOUSE' OFTEN DURING TAXI CLRNCS AND THAT WE SHOULD PEN IT IN ON OUR CHARTS. (THIS WOULD NOT HELP OUT THE REST OF OUR PLTS FLYING IN AND OUT OF LAS.) IF THE 'BLOCK HOUSE' IS GOING TO BE REFED BY RAMP CTL, IT SHOULD BE CHARTED. IT APPEARS TO BE LOCATED IN HOLD PAD 2.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.