DC8 IOE check airman and so exceeded 8 in 24.

Attributes
ACN	481130
Time
Date	200008
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : zzz.airport
State Reference	US
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	DC-8 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : pushback
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	observation : company check pilot
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 6000
ASRS Report	4811130
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : second officer
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 3950 flight time type : 30
ASRS Report	481122
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other other : 2
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Company FAA
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

While administering IOE to student so, in accordance with far 121.434, we exceeded 8 hours of flying within a 24 hour period. On aug/thu/00, we flew from bro to day continuing on to rdu and mco. At day, we had a block turn-back prior to continuing to rdu. The duty day started at XA40Z and ended at XN35 with a total block time of 6 hours 3 mins. On aug/fri/00, we flew from mco to rdu continuing to day. At day, I requested and received permission to trade trips to complete all required training, ie, changing to a different series of the same type aircraft. Due to a miscalculation of times we departed for den not realizing that we were going to exceed 8 flight hours in a 24 hour period. Duty time started at XA47 and ended at XL10 with a total block time of 5 hours 45 mins. On aug/sat/00, I administered to the student an initial flight engineer line check from den to day. Duty time started at XA00 and ended at XD01 with a total block time of 2 hours 31 mins. Upon arrival at day, I pulled up the computer time track to confirm all flight times for the training period. While confirming the times with crew scheduling it was discovered that we had exceeded 8 hours of flight time in a 24 hour period on aug/thu/00 and aug/fri/00 and had not doubled our rest period in den -- which also made the return trip den to day illegal, invalidating the initial flight engineer line check. After confirming the time discrepancy with the flight manager and crew scheduling, the student and I were relieved of all duties and the chief pilot was advised of the problem.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: DC8 IOE CHK AIRMAN AND SO EXCEEDED 8 IN 24.

Narrative: WHILE ADMINISTERING IOE TO STUDENT SO, IN ACCORDANCE WITH FAR 121.434, WE EXCEEDED 8 HRS OF FLYING WITHIN A 24 HR PERIOD. ON AUG/THU/00, WE FLEW FROM BRO TO DAY CONTINUING ON TO RDU AND MCO. AT DAY, WE HAD A BLOCK TURN-BACK PRIOR TO CONTINUING TO RDU. THE DUTY DAY STARTED AT XA40Z AND ENDED AT XN35 WITH A TOTAL BLOCK TIME OF 6 HRS 3 MINS. ON AUG/FRI/00, WE FLEW FROM MCO TO RDU CONTINUING TO DAY. AT DAY, I REQUESTED AND RECEIVED PERMISSION TO TRADE TRIPS TO COMPLETE ALL REQUIRED TRAINING, IE, CHANGING TO A DIFFERENT SERIES OF THE SAME TYPE ACFT. DUE TO A MISCALCULATION OF TIMES WE DEPARTED FOR DEN NOT REALIZING THAT WE WERE GOING TO EXCEED 8 FLT HRS IN A 24 HR PERIOD. DUTY TIME STARTED AT XA47 AND ENDED AT XL10 WITH A TOTAL BLOCK TIME OF 5 HRS 45 MINS. ON AUG/SAT/00, I ADMINISTERED TO THE STUDENT AN INITIAL FE LINE CHK FROM DEN TO DAY. DUTY TIME STARTED AT XA00 AND ENDED AT XD01 WITH A TOTAL BLOCK TIME OF 2 HRS 31 MINS. UPON ARR AT DAY, I PULLED UP THE COMPUTER TIME TRACK TO CONFIRM ALL FLT TIMES FOR THE TRAINING PERIOD. WHILE CONFIRMING THE TIMES WITH CREW SCHEDULING IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT WE HAD EXCEEDED 8 HRS OF FLT TIME IN A 24 HR PERIOD ON AUG/THU/00 AND AUG/FRI/00 AND HAD NOT DOUBLED OUR REST PERIOD IN DEN -- WHICH ALSO MADE THE RETURN TRIP DEN TO DAY ILLEGAL, INVALIDATING THE INITIAL FE LINE CHK. AFTER CONFIRMING THE TIME DISCREPANCY WITH THE FLT MGR AND CREW SCHEDULING, THE STUDENT AND I WERE RELIEVED OF ALL DUTIES AND THE CHIEF PLT WAS ADVISED OF THE PROB.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.