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Flight crew of a british hawker 800 failed to follow runway heading after takeoff until given vector by departure control causing less than standard separation with another aircraft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 480323 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200007 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : lax.vortac |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 2250 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | BAe 125 Series 800 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7800 flight time type : 1050 |
| ASRS Report | 480323 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : private pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 35 |
| ASRS Report | 480125 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued alert flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 350 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Aircraft was on a tower-en route IFR flight plan from lax airport to bur airport. I had been inside FBO attending to fueling matters and the sic had received our ATC clearance. Upon entering the aircraft, I was informed by the sic what clearance was as well as looking to see if he had programmed it into the FMS. We discussed the clearance and were then instructed to taxi to north complex runway 24. About 1/4 of the way to north side, ATC advised us to taxi back to south side runway 25R. They then changed it to runway 25R and changed our altitude from 2000 ft to 3000 ft for departure. Ready for departure on runway 25R, intersection departure, I then discussed departure clearance with sic. We both agreed, although different, to fly runway heading to lax VOR and then proceed via the lax 316 degree radial nwbound to silex intersection. We departed and flew to lax VOR and I began to make right turn to intercept radial/course. Upon rolling wings level on course, I spotted another aircraft departing towards us off north runway complex. I asked/verified with sic if this 'looked right.' the sic answered 'yes.' I responded with 'I don't think this is right.' I then executed a climbing left turn back towards a southwest heading away from traffic. When aircraft was in left turn, ATC instructed us to turn left immediately. I then knew for sure something was not right. We were told to fly a 230 degree heading and maintain 2000 ft. At that time, we thought ATC had made a mistake. We were never issued a phone number to call until we arrived at bur airport. They told me (tower manager) that we were to maintain runway heading and expect radar vectors to lax 316 degree radial. Since this was a tower-en route clearance, all we had was a scribbled down clearance on a piece of paper that the sic had written. We had no normal graphical instrument departure procedure to look at. Lax departure ATIS says don't even read back clearance except for transponder code and call sign. I believe for some reason we were thinking that we were departing from north runway complex. Multiple runway changes and altitude changes added confusion. We were also position and hold and I actually discussed north runway complex departures. We had possibly figured we were waiting for north side traffic to clear.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A BRITISH HAWKER 800 FAILED TO FOLLOW RWY HDG AFTER TKOF UNTIL GIVEN VECTOR BY DEP CTL CAUSING LTSS WITH ANOTHER ACFT.
Narrative: ACFT WAS ON A TWR-ENRTE IFR FLT PLAN FROM LAX ARPT TO BUR ARPT. I HAD BEEN INSIDE FBO ATTENDING TO FUELING MATTERS AND THE SIC HAD RECEIVED OUR ATC CLRNC. UPON ENTERING THE ACFT, I WAS INFORMED BY THE SIC WHAT CLRNC WAS AS WELL AS LOOKING TO SEE IF HE HAD PROGRAMMED IT INTO THE FMS. WE DISCUSSED THE CLRNC AND WERE THEN INSTRUCTED TO TAXI TO N COMPLEX RWY 24. ABOUT 1/4 OF THE WAY TO N SIDE, ATC ADVISED US TO TAXI BACK TO S SIDE RWY 25R. THEY THEN CHANGED IT TO RWY 25R AND CHANGED OUR ALT FROM 2000 FT TO 3000 FT FOR DEP. READY FOR DEP ON RWY 25R, INTXN DEP, I THEN DISCUSSED DEP CLRNC WITH SIC. WE BOTH AGREED, ALTHOUGH DIFFERENT, TO FLY RWY HDG TO LAX VOR AND THEN PROCEED VIA THE LAX 316 DEG RADIAL NWBOUND TO SILEX INTXN. WE DEPARTED AND FLEW TO LAX VOR AND I BEGAN TO MAKE R TURN TO INTERCEPT RADIAL/COURSE. UPON ROLLING WINGS LEVEL ON COURSE, I SPOTTED ANOTHER ACFT DEPARTING TOWARDS US OFF N RWY COMPLEX. I ASKED/VERIFIED WITH SIC IF THIS 'LOOKED RIGHT.' THE SIC ANSWERED 'YES.' I RESPONDED WITH 'I DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT.' I THEN EXECUTED A CLBING L TURN BACK TOWARDS A SW HDG AWAY FROM TFC. WHEN ACFT WAS IN L TURN, ATC INSTRUCTED US TO TURN L IMMEDIATELY. I THEN KNEW FOR SURE SOMETHING WAS NOT RIGHT. WE WERE TOLD TO FLY A 230 DEG HDG AND MAINTAIN 2000 FT. AT THAT TIME, WE THOUGHT ATC HAD MADE A MISTAKE. WE WERE NEVER ISSUED A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL UNTIL WE ARRIVED AT BUR ARPT. THEY TOLD ME (TWR MGR) THAT WE WERE TO MAINTAIN RWY HDG AND EXPECT RADAR VECTORS TO LAX 316 DEG RADIAL. SINCE THIS WAS A TWR-ENRTE CLRNC, ALL WE HAD WAS A SCRIBBLED DOWN CLRNC ON A PIECE OF PAPER THAT THE SIC HAD WRITTEN. WE HAD NO NORMAL GRAPHICAL INST DEP PROC TO LOOK AT. LAX DEP ATIS SAYS DON'T EVEN READ BACK CLRNC EXCEPT FOR XPONDER CODE AND CALL SIGN. I BELIEVE FOR SOME REASON WE WERE THINKING THAT WE WERE DEPARTING FROM N RWY COMPLEX. MULTIPLE RWY CHANGES AND ALT CHANGES ADDED CONFUSION. WE WERE ALSO POS AND HOLD AND I ACTUALLY DISCUSSED N RWY COMPLEX DEPS. WE HAD POSSIBLY FIGURED WE WERE WAITING FOR N SIDE TFC TO CLR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.