<< >> NASA ASRS Report 476837, June 2000

Instructor pilot of a piper PA23-250 is confused regarding the boundary limits of the class C airspace surrounding the airport class D airspace.

Attributes
ACN	476837
Time
Date	200006
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : fxe.airport
State Reference	FL
Altitude	msl single value : 2500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : fxe.tower
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	PA-23-250 Aztec
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 1300 flight time type : 20
ASRS Report	476837
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : private
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Airspace Structure
Primary Problem	Airspace Structure

Narrative:

Confusion exists with regard to the information printed on the terminal area chart for miami. Per the chart, you are in class D airspace up to 2500 ft when at fxe. However, the boundary for fll class C airspace starts at 1200 ft to 4000 ft. Never sure if you're legal or not. In addition, controllers don't seem consistent on the issue. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter counseled regarding the limits and procedure of the class D and C airspace structure surrounding the fll airport. It was also mentioned that during his departure to the northwest he probably was not in the fll airspace when departing the fxe class D airspace since the fll class C airspace does not extend that far to the northwest. The reporter advised that he had approximately 1300 hours total time, 200 hours in the last 90 days and 20 hours in aircraft type.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: INSTRUCTOR PLT OF A PIPER PA23-250 IS CONFUSED REGARDING THE BOUNDARY LIMITS OF THE CLASS C AIRSPACE SURROUNDING THE ARPT CLASS D AIRSPACE.

Narrative: CONFUSION EXISTS WITH REGARD TO THE INFO PRINTED ON THE TERMINAL AREA CHART FOR MIAMI. PER THE CHART, YOU ARE IN CLASS D AIRSPACE UP TO 2500 FT WHEN AT FXE. HOWEVER, THE BOUNDARY FOR FLL CLASS C AIRSPACE STARTS AT 1200 FT TO 4000 FT. NEVER SURE IF YOU'RE LEGAL OR NOT. IN ADDITION, CTLRS DON'T SEEM CONSISTENT ON THE ISSUE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR COUNSELED REGARDING THE LIMITS AND PROC OF THE CLASS D AND C AIRSPACE STRUCTURE SURROUNDING THE FLL ARPT. IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED THAT DURING HIS DEP TO THE NW HE PROBABLY WAS NOT IN THE FLL AIRSPACE WHEN DEPARTING THE FXE CLASS D AIRSPACE SINCE THE FLL CLASS C AIRSPACE DOES NOT EXTEND THAT FAR TO THE NW. THE RPTR ADVISED THAT HE HAD APPROX 1300 HRS TOTAL TIME, 200 HRS IN THE LAST 90 DAYS AND 20 HRS IN ACFT TYPE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.