<< >> NASA ASRS Report 474970, June 2000

A B727-200 flight crew, having had the leading edge device indication problem corrected, departs from the gate with the original, now expired, flight release at ord, il.

Attributes
ACN	474970
Time
Date	200006
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ord.airport
State Reference	IL
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B727-200
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : takeoff roll ground : taxi ground : parked ground : maintenance
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 3000
ASRS Report	474970
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : company policies non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Maintenance Human Performance Company Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

We returned to the gate before we took off after departing the gate on time. Our reason for returning to the gate was that our led amber light was still on after selecting the flaps to the takeoff setting. I requested maintenance and they repaired the problem. After we departed for our destination, my first officer asked me if we should have asked for a new release time. I looked in our pom for clarification. The only reference to needing a new release time that seemed to apply to us was the 1 hour limit. However, we originally departed from our gate on schedule. Our second attempt was 1 hour and 10 mins from the original departure time. In the future, if I return to the gate, I will always request a new release time.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A B727-200 FLC, HAVING HAD THE LEADING EDGE DEVICE INDICATION PROB CORRECTED, DEPARTS FROM THE GATE WITH THE ORIGINAL, NOW EXPIRED, FLT RELEASE AT ORD, IL.

Narrative: WE RETURNED TO THE GATE BEFORE WE TOOK OFF AFTER DEPARTING THE GATE ON TIME. OUR REASON FOR RETURNING TO THE GATE WAS THAT OUR LED AMBER LIGHT WAS STILL ON AFTER SELECTING THE FLAPS TO THE TKOF SETTING. I REQUESTED MAINT AND THEY REPAIRED THE PROB. AFTER WE DEPARTED FOR OUR DEST, MY FO ASKED ME IF WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR A NEW RELEASE TIME. I LOOKED IN OUR POM FOR CLARIFICATION. THE ONLY REF TO NEEDING A NEW RELEASE TIME THAT SEEMED TO APPLY TO US WAS THE 1 HR LIMIT. HOWEVER, WE ORIGINALLY DEPARTED FROM OUR GATE ON SCHEDULE. OUR SECOND ATTEMPT WAS 1 HR AND 10 MINS FROM THE ORIGINAL DEP TIME. IN THE FUTURE, IF I RETURN TO THE GATE, I WILL ALWAYS REQUEST A NEW RELEASE TIME.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.