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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 474120 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200005 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : rdu.airport |
| State Reference | NC |
| Altitude | msl single value : 9000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : rdu.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A319 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : rdu.tracon |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 113 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 113 |
| ASRS Report | 474120 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 200 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Descending into rdu, controller issued traffic at '2:30 position, 8500 ft.' first officer looked at 2:30 position and said 'traffic in sight.' controller then issued clearance to maintain visual separation on traffic, descend and maintain some lower altitude. I looked at the traffic, and due to the city lights I could not ascertain what that traffic was doing, and told first officer to advise ATC of such. After all, I didn't like the idea of descending through an altitude with traffic if I couldn't determine what that traffic was doing. ATC then turned us about 20 degrees left to 'go behind that traffic' and cleared us for descent. I then got a TCAS TA, followed by an RA 'climb, climb.' we complied, climbed and advised ATC. We asked 'what is this traffic here,' and he stated 'that is the traffic I wanted you to maintain visual on.' when we replied that traffic was more like at 11:00 position, the controller said 'I told you he was at 10:00 position not 2:30 position.' we both had heard him say 2:30 position. I think he confused 10:00 position and 2:00 position, as they are both 20 degrees off of our nose.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A-319 CREW HAD NMAC ON DESCENT INTO RDU.
Narrative: DSNDING INTO RDU, CTLR ISSUED TFC AT '2:30 POS, 8500 FT.' FO LOOKED AT 2:30 POS AND SAID 'TFC IN SIGHT.' CTLR THEN ISSUED CLRNC TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION ON TFC, DSND AND MAINTAIN SOME LOWER ALT. I LOOKED AT THE TFC, AND DUE TO THE CITY LIGHTS I COULD NOT ASCERTAIN WHAT THAT TFC WAS DOING, AND TOLD FO TO ADVISE ATC OF SUCH. AFTER ALL, I DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA OF DSNDING THROUGH AN ALT WITH TFC IF I COULDN'T DETERMINE WHAT THAT TFC WAS DOING. ATC THEN TURNED US ABOUT 20 DEGS L TO 'GO BEHIND THAT TFC' AND CLRED US FOR DSCNT. I THEN GOT A TCAS TA, FOLLOWED BY AN RA 'CLB, CLB.' WE COMPLIED, CLBED AND ADVISED ATC. WE ASKED 'WHAT IS THIS TFC HERE,' AND HE STATED 'THAT IS THE TFC I WANTED YOU TO MAINTAIN VISUAL ON.' WHEN WE REPLIED THAT TFC WAS MORE LIKE AT 11:00 POS, THE CTLR SAID 'I TOLD YOU HE WAS AT 10:00 POS NOT 2:30 POS.' WE BOTH HAD HEARD HIM SAY 2:30 POS. I THINK HE CONFUSED 10:00 POS AND 2:00 POS, AS THEY ARE BOTH 20 DEGREES OFF OF OUR NOSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.