<< >> NASA ASRS Report 472292, May 2000

A rather unpleasant exchange of words occurs between a captain and the tower controller when a B727 PIC refuses a takeoff clearance on runway 27L when advised that there would be a lahso for traffic landing runway 14R at ord, il.

Attributes
ACN	472292
Time
Date	200005
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ord.airport
State Reference	IL
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : mdw.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : position and hold
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2000
ASRS Report	472292
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Company Environmental Factor FAA Airport ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance

Narrative:

We were cleared into position and hold on runway 27L at ord and were told that landing traffic on runway 14R would hold short of our runway. I declined the clearance and first was told I would have to taxi to the 'penalty' box until there were no more arrs on runway 14R. I said, 'ok' and then was told to 'position and hold' again and ATC would wait for a 'break.' the controller complained that I should have told them earlier of our intentions. She was correct. She then told us that they 'weren't going to play that game.' I told her that this is no game. She said I could discuss it with her supervisor if I wanted to, and I told her 'likewise.' we then departed uneventfully. This is serious business and not a game. I take great exception to the controller's attitude -- very unprofessional.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A RATHER UNPLEASANT EXCHANGE OF WORDS OCCURS BTWN A CAPT AND THE TWR CTLR WHEN A B727 PIC REFUSES A TKOF CLRNC ON RWY 27L WHEN ADVISED THAT THERE WOULD BE A LAHSO FOR TFC LNDG RWY 14R AT ORD, IL.

Narrative: WE WERE CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD ON RWY 27L AT ORD AND WERE TOLD THAT LNDG TFC ON RWY 14R WOULD HOLD SHORT OF OUR RWY. I DECLINED THE CLRNC AND FIRST WAS TOLD I WOULD HAVE TO TAXI TO THE 'PENALTY' BOX UNTIL THERE WERE NO MORE ARRS ON RWY 14R. I SAID, 'OK' AND THEN WAS TOLD TO 'POS AND HOLD' AGAIN AND ATC WOULD WAIT FOR A 'BREAK.' THE CTLR COMPLAINED THAT I SHOULD HAVE TOLD THEM EARLIER OF OUR INTENTIONS. SHE WAS CORRECT. SHE THEN TOLD US THAT THEY 'WEREN'T GOING TO PLAY THAT GAME.' I TOLD HER THAT THIS IS NO GAME. SHE SAID I COULD DISCUSS IT WITH HER SUPVR IF I WANTED TO, AND I TOLD HER 'LIKEWISE.' WE THEN DEPARTED UNEVENTFULLY. THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS AND NOT A GAME. I TAKE GREAT EXCEPTION TO THE CTLR'S ATTITUDE -- VERY UNPROFESSIONAL.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.