An S80 PIC questions the legality of the jfk VOR or GPS runway 13L-right approach as pertaining to company policy regarding the use of lead-in lights at jfk, ny.

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Attributes
ACN	471270
Time
Date	200003
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : jfk.airport
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl single value : 800
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : jfk.tower tower : zzz.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	ils localizer & glide slope : 13l Other
Flight Phase	descent : vacating altitude
Route In Use	approach : charted visual
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	471270
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies non adherence : far other anomaly other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Navigational Facility FAA Airport Chart Or Publication Company
Primary Problem	Chart Or Publication
Situations
Chart	approach : jfk. vor / gps.134r

Narrative:

On flight on mar/tue/00 we flew the VOR runway 13L/right approach to jfk runway 13L. Looking back I have begun to question the legality of that approach as published. At the missed approach point on a clear night you can see the lead-in light, but I do not think it is possible to see the runway. Policy does not recognize lead-in lights which would require a missed approach every time. Also, this is the only approach I know of where the normal descent point which can not really be computed any way comes after the missed approach point. Please look at this approach from a safety, legality, and policy point of view. As published, it is very questionable.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN S80 PIC QUESTIONS THE LEGALITY OF THE JFK VOR OR GPS RWY 13L-R APCH AS PERTAINING TO COMPANY POLICY REGARDING THE USE OF LEAD-IN LIGHTS AT JFK, NY.

Narrative: ON FLT ON MAR/TUE/00 WE FLEW THE VOR RWY 13L/R APCH TO JFK RWY 13L. LOOKING BACK I HAVE BEGUN TO QUESTION THE LEGALITY OF THAT APCH AS PUBLISHED. AT THE MISSED APCH POINT ON A CLR NIGHT YOU CAN SEE THE LEAD-IN LIGHT, BUT I DO NOT THINK IT IS POSSIBLE TO SEE THE RWY. POLICY DOES NOT RECOGNIZE LEAD-IN LIGHTS WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A MISSED APCH EVERY TIME. ALSO, THIS IS THE ONLY APCH I KNOW OF WHERE THE NORMAL DSCNT POINT WHICH CAN NOT REALLY BE COMPUTED ANY WAY COMES AFTER THE MISSED APCH POINT. PLEASE LOOK AT THIS APCH FROM A SAFETY, LEGALITY, AND POLICY POINT OF VIEW. AS PUBLISHED, IT IS VERY QUESTIONABLE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.