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Local controller at dca pushes arriving aircraft for a hold short commitment because of traffic arriving on a crossing runway. Commitment is not given, both aircraft land and separation at the runway crossing point is 150 ft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 471182 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200004 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dca.airport |
| State Reference | DC |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : dca.tower tracon : m98.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : dca.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 87 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 1160 |
| ASRS Report | 470082 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 150 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Our aircraft was on visual approach to runway 1 at dca at the same time a DHC8 was on visual approach to runway 33. We were following an aircraft 3 mi ahead so slowed to 150 KTS at 5-6 mi. The dash 8 then had a 40 KT speed advantage. We were sequenced to land ahead of the dash 8. We were cleared to land and tower advised us to 'advise if able to hold short runway 33.' not wanting to commit to an unplanned lahso for operational reasons, captain rogered the request with no intention of lahso confirmation. The dash 8 was on a collision course with us, constant bearing, decreasing range. We were cleared to land runway 1. Captain set the autobrake to '3' instead of '2' to assist in stopping in a shorter distance. We touched down normally and on rollout, tower again asked us to 'advise able to hold short runway 33.' captain did not confirm our flight to lahso. The first officer heard 'hold short runway 33' because the tower controller keyed the microphone as he started to talk and the first word, 'advise,' was hard to understand. As we slowed to 60 KTS and captain took the aircraft, we told tower we could hold short, and made a left turnoff onto taxiway north. Within a few short seconds, the dash 8 crossed runway 1, about 150-200 ft away from us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LCL CTLR AT DCA PUSHES ARRIVING ACFT FOR A HOLD SHORT COMMITMENT BECAUSE OF TFC ARRIVING ON A XING RWY. COMMITMENT IS NOT GIVEN, BOTH ACFT LAND AND SEPARATION AT THE RWY XING POINT IS 150 FT.
Narrative: OUR ACFT WAS ON VISUAL APCH TO RWY 1 AT DCA AT THE SAME TIME A DHC8 WAS ON VISUAL APCH TO RWY 33. WE WERE FOLLOWING AN ACFT 3 MI AHEAD SO SLOWED TO 150 KTS AT 5-6 MI. THE DASH 8 THEN HAD A 40 KT SPD ADVANTAGE. WE WERE SEQUENCED TO LAND AHEAD OF THE DASH 8. WE WERE CLRED TO LAND AND TWR ADVISED US TO 'ADVISE IF ABLE TO HOLD SHORT RWY 33.' NOT WANTING TO COMMIT TO AN UNPLANNED LAHSO FOR OPERATIONAL REASONS, CAPT ROGERED THE REQUEST WITH NO INTENTION OF LAHSO CONFIRMATION. THE DASH 8 WAS ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH US, CONSTANT BEARING, DECREASING RANGE. WE WERE CLRED TO LAND RWY 1. CAPT SET THE AUTOBRAKE TO '3' INSTEAD OF '2' TO ASSIST IN STOPPING IN A SHORTER DISTANCE. WE TOUCHED DOWN NORMALLY AND ON ROLLOUT, TWR AGAIN ASKED US TO 'ADVISE ABLE TO HOLD SHORT RWY 33.' CAPT DID NOT CONFIRM OUR FLT TO LAHSO. THE FO HEARD 'HOLD SHORT RWY 33' BECAUSE THE TWR CTLR KEYED THE MIKE AS HE STARTED TO TALK AND THE FIRST WORD, 'ADVISE,' WAS HARD TO UNDERSTAND. AS WE SLOWED TO 60 KTS AND CAPT TOOK THE ACFT, WE TOLD TWR WE COULD HOLD SHORT, AND MADE A L TURNOFF ONTO TXWY N. WITHIN A FEW SHORT SECONDS, THE DASH 8 CROSSED RWY 1, ABOUT 150-200 FT AWAY FROM US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.