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A PA24 turning final is overtaken and almost hit by a speeding PA28 on a straight-in who was cutting him out of the pattern on final approach at cco, GA.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 469556 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200004 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cco.airport |
| State Reference | GA |
| Altitude | agl single value : 300 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-24 Comanche |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
| Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern approach : visual approach : straight in arrival : vfr |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 469556 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | other Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 75 vertical : 110 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Doing landing/takeoff and touch-and-go, turning final at approximately 90 mph, observed PA28-140 at high speed approaching from right at altitude just above tree tops and without radio calls. I continued turn to final at 90 mph and PA28-140 passed rapidly under our aircraft between 75-150 ft, appeared trying to cut me off in traffic pattern to land before I did -- obviously at full speed in order to pass under my aircraft. I called his aircraft several times on 122.8 (local frequency) but no response. Assumed either did not have radio on or did not have proper frequency on radio. Other pilot changed story after on ground from 'he made normal pattern' to 'he just made a long final.' runway is 5000 ft long. As his speed was so great he used it all. Ground men should not play chicken games in aircraft. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter (a retired airline captain) stated that the 2 gentlemen in the cockpit of the PA28 were not listening to his counsel with the younger of the 2 being very hostile. Since he did not wish to be called a bigot, he declined any further levels of confrontation with them.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA24 TURNING FINAL IS OVERTAKEN AND ALMOST HIT BY A SPDING PA28 ON A STRAIGHT-IN WHO WAS CUTTING HIM OUT OF THE PATTERN ON FINAL APCH AT CCO, GA.
Narrative: DOING LNDG/TKOF AND TOUCH-AND-GO, TURNING FINAL AT APPROX 90 MPH, OBSERVED PA28-140 AT HIGH SPD APCHING FROM R AT ALT JUST ABOVE TREE TOPS AND WITHOUT RADIO CALLS. I CONTINUED TURN TO FINAL AT 90 MPH AND PA28-140 PASSED RAPIDLY UNDER OUR ACFT BTWN 75-150 FT, APPEARED TRYING TO CUT ME OFF IN TFC PATTERN TO LAND BEFORE I DID -- OBVIOUSLY AT FULL SPD IN ORDER TO PASS UNDER MY ACFT. I CALLED HIS ACFT SEVERAL TIMES ON 122.8 (LCL FREQ) BUT NO RESPONSE. ASSUMED EITHER DID NOT HAVE RADIO ON OR DID NOT HAVE PROPER FREQ ON RADIO. OTHER PLT CHANGED STORY AFTER ON GND FROM 'HE MADE NORMAL PATTERN' TO 'HE JUST MADE A LONG FINAL.' RWY IS 5000 FT LONG. AS HIS SPD WAS SO GREAT HE USED IT ALL. GND MEN SHOULD NOT PLAY CHICKEN GAMES IN ACFT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR (A RETIRED AIRLINE CAPT) STATED THAT THE 2 GENTLEMEN IN THE COCKPIT OF THE PA28 WERE NOT LISTENING TO HIS COUNSEL WITH THE YOUNGER OF THE 2 BEING VERY HOSTILE. SINCE HE DID NOT WISH TO BE CALLED A BIGOT, HE DECLINED ANY FURTHER LEVELS OF CONFRONTATION WITH THEM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.