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Air carrier lands with reils not available at cha when advised 'land at your discretion' by the tower.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 469340 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200004 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cha.airport |
| State Reference | TN |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : cha.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | landing : roll |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 6000 |
| ASRS Report | 469340 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : company policies non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllerb other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On approach to cha at night, control indicated that the runway edge lights for runway 20 were out. All other lights (reils, centerline, approach) were functional, and then asked if we would like runway 20 or runway 15. As runway 20 was the longest and normal runway we chose it. At about 4 mi from touchdown, I asked approach control (who was working tower as well) to confirm we were cleared to land. He responded 'land at your discretion -- I'm unable to clear you with the edge lights out.' we landed as runway was clearly in sight, but I'd never heard the expression 'land at your discretion' before, and am unsure if there might be a legality problem. Will definitely be reviewing part 121 regulations on this one.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LANDS WITH REILS NOT AVAILABLE AT CHA WHEN ADVISED 'LAND AT YOUR DISCRETION' BY THE TWR.
Narrative: ON APCH TO CHA AT NIGHT, CTL INDICATED THAT THE RWY EDGE LIGHTS FOR RWY 20 WERE OUT. ALL OTHER LIGHTS (REILS, CTRLINE, APCH) WERE FUNCTIONAL, AND THEN ASKED IF WE WOULD LIKE RWY 20 OR RWY 15. AS RWY 20 WAS THE LONGEST AND NORMAL RWY WE CHOSE IT. AT ABOUT 4 MI FROM TOUCHDOWN, I ASKED APCH CTL (WHO WAS WORKING TWR AS WELL) TO CONFIRM WE WERE CLRED TO LAND. HE RESPONDED 'LAND AT YOUR DISCRETION -- I'M UNABLE TO CLR YOU WITH THE EDGE LIGHTS OUT.' WE LANDED AS RWY WAS CLRLY IN SIGHT, BUT I'D NEVER HEARD THE EXPRESSION 'LAND AT YOUR DISCRETION' BEFORE, AND AM UNSURE IF THERE MIGHT BE A LEGALITY PROB. WILL DEFINITELY BE REVIEWING PART 121 REGS ON THIS ONE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.