A PA34 instructor pilot and student experience a nose gear collapse during their 4TH touch-and-go at...

Attributes
ACN	468584
Time
Date	200003
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : azo.airport
State Reference	MI
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	PA-34-200 Seneca I
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	landing : roll
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 350 flight time type : 11
ASRS Report	468584
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 164 flight time total : 1291 flight time type : 81
ASRS Report	468184
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground critical ground encounters other non adherence : published procedure other anomaly
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable other
Consequence	other other other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

We were on our 4TH touch-and-go. I was the student in the left seat and my instructor was in the right. We were landing on runway 17. On downwind, my instructor failed the right engine. Then we went through the normal engine shutdown procedure, but did not feather the right engine. My instructor put the engine in simulated feather. We turned base, put in 25 degrees of flaps. Turned final, put the landing gear down and got 3 green lights and the nose gear in the mirror. Then I did a gumps check. Gas -- on, undercarriage -- 3 green 1 in the mirror, mixture full forward, propellers full forward. We then touched down on runway 17. We were rolling out and my instructor brought up the flaps. Throttles were still at idle. Then we saw the nose start dropping. Then we veered off to the left, then started sliding on the belly of the aircraft. We started sliding sideways and then came to a stop at the intersection of runway 17 and runway 27. We told tower we had a problem. Then my instructor shut down all of the electrical. I shut down all of the magnetos and we got out of the aircraft. I think this was a system failure. We verified we had 3 green and 1 in the mirror twice before we landed. Supplemental information from acn 468184: what caused the nose to collapse on the rollout is unknown at this time. All precautions to verify gear down and locked were taken.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A PA34 INSTRUCTOR PLT AND STUDENT EXPERIENCE A NOSE GEAR COLLAPSE DURING THEIR 4TH TOUCH-AND-GO AT AZO, MI.

Narrative: WE WERE ON OUR 4TH TOUCH-AND-GO. I WAS THE STUDENT IN THE L SEAT AND MY INSTRUCTOR WAS IN THE R. WE WERE LNDG ON RWY 17. ON DOWNWIND, MY INSTRUCTOR FAILED THE R ENG. THEN WE WENT THROUGH THE NORMAL ENG SHUTDOWN PROC, BUT DID NOT FEATHER THE R ENG. MY INSTRUCTOR PUT THE ENG IN SIMULATED FEATHER. WE TURNED BASE, PUT IN 25 DEGS OF FLAPS. TURNED FINAL, PUT THE LNDG GEAR DOWN AND GOT 3 GREEN LIGHTS AND THE NOSE GEAR IN THE MIRROR. THEN I DID A GUMPS CHK. GAS -- ON, UNDERCARRIAGE -- 3 GREEN 1 IN THE MIRROR, MIXTURE FULL FORWARD, PROPS FULL FORWARD. WE THEN TOUCHED DOWN ON RWY 17. WE WERE ROLLING OUT AND MY INSTRUCTOR BROUGHT UP THE FLAPS. THROTTLES WERE STILL AT IDLE. THEN WE SAW THE NOSE START DROPPING. THEN WE VEERED OFF TO THE L, THEN STARTED SLIDING ON THE BELLY OF THE ACFT. WE STARTED SLIDING SIDEWAYS AND THEN CAME TO A STOP AT THE INTXN OF RWY 17 AND RWY 27. WE TOLD TWR WE HAD A PROB. THEN MY INSTRUCTOR SHUT DOWN ALL OF THE ELECTRICAL. I SHUT DOWN ALL OF THE MAGNETOS AND WE GOT OUT OF THE ACFT. I THINK THIS WAS A SYS FAILURE. WE VERIFIED WE HAD 3 GREEN AND 1 IN THE MIRROR TWICE BEFORE WE LANDED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 468184: WHAT CAUSED THE NOSE TO COLLAPSE ON THE ROLLOUT IS UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME. ALL PRECAUTIONS TO VERIFY GEAR DOWN AND LOCKED WERE TAKEN.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

A PA34 instructor pilot and student experience a nose gear collapse during their 4TH touch-and-go at azo, mi.