<< >> NASA ASRS Report 464850, February 2000

Captain of an large transport advised approach controller of minimum fuel due to WX delay and higher fuel burn than flight planned and that he would have to declare an emergency if there were any more delays. Controller was able to work him into the traffic flow without further delay without using emergency procedures.

Attributes
ACN	464850
Time
Date	200002
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
State Reference	NY
Altitude	msl single value : 6000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other vortac
Flight Phase	descent : holding
Route In Use	arrival star : camrn 3
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13500 flight time type : 2500
ASRS Report	464850
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other
Independent Detector	aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : fuel quantity ind. other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Weather
Primary Problem	Weather

Narrative:

Flight from sju-jfk, ATC kept us at FL280 due to conflicting traffic. This caused approximately 2000 pounds over-burn. Next WX at jfk was low IFR when forecast was marginal VFR. Alternate was ewr which was also low IFR. When we were given a hold for jfk, we immediately informed ATC of the need to now go to ewr. After one turn in hold we were then vectored away from ewr. I told the controller I would have to declare an emergency if needed to get to an airport if needed as only 1 hour fuel remained. Jfk traffic and WX improved, so the controller then handled us normally and we landed at jfk with 45 mins fuel remaining. In the future I will use a more distant alternate if 'either' current or forecast WX is low IFR.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CAPT OF AN LGT ADVISED APCH CTLR OF MINIMUM FUEL DUE TO WX DELAY AND HIGHER FUEL BURN THAN FLT PLANNED AND THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO DECLARE AN EMER IF THERE WERE ANY MORE DELAYS. CTLR WAS ABLE TO WORK HIM INTO THE TFC FLOW WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY WITHOUT USING EMER PROCS.

Narrative: FLT FROM SJU-JFK, ATC KEPT US AT FL280 DUE TO CONFLICTING TFC. THIS CAUSED APPROX 2000 LBS OVER-BURN. NEXT WX AT JFK WAS LOW IFR WHEN FORECAST WAS MARGINAL VFR. ALTERNATE WAS EWR WHICH WAS ALSO LOW IFR. WHEN WE WERE GIVEN A HOLD FOR JFK, WE IMMEDIATELY INFORMED ATC OF THE NEED TO NOW GO TO EWR. AFTER ONE TURN IN HOLD WE WERE THEN VECTORED AWAY FROM EWR. I TOLD THE CTLR I WOULD HAVE TO DECLARE AN EMER IF NEEDED TO GET TO AN ARPT IF NEEDED AS ONLY 1 HR FUEL REMAINED. JFK TFC AND WX IMPROVED, SO THE CTLR THEN HANDLED US NORMALLY AND WE LANDED AT JFK WITH 45 MINS FUEL REMAINING. IN THE FUTURE I WILL USE A MORE DISTANT ALTERNATE IF 'EITHER' CURRENT OR FORECAST WX IS LOW IFR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.