<< >> NASA ASRS Report 461710, January 2000

An air carrier pilot reported that, even at vmo with speed brakes extended, he could not make a crossing restr at jhawk.

Attributes
ACN	461710
Time
Date	200001
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	intersection : jhawk
State Reference	KS
Altitude	msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 13000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zkc.artcc
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	arrival : on vectors arrival star : jhawk 3
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	461710
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : insufficient time
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Received vector off of arrival and held up at altitude. We received a clearance direct to jhawk, cross jhawk at 12000 ft MSL. We were too high to make the descent point crossing restr and did not realize it until it was too late. At vmo and speed brake out, we were still approximately 1000 ft high.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ACR PLT RPTED THAT, EVEN AT VMO WITH SPD BRAKES EXTENDED, HE COULD NOT MAKE A XING RESTR AT JHAWK.

Narrative: RECEIVED VECTOR OFF OF ARR AND HELD UP AT ALT. WE RECEIVED A CLRNC DIRECT TO JHAWK, CROSS JHAWK AT 12000 FT MSL. WE WERE TOO HIGH TO MAKE THE DSCNT POINT XING RESTR AND DID NOT REALIZE IT UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE. AT VMO AND SPD BRAKE OUT, WE WERE STILL APPROX 1000 FT HIGH.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.