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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 458580 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199912 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : abe.airport |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Weather Elements | Snow |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : abe.tracon tower : abe.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | PA-34-200 Seneca I |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival : vfr |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 1036 flight time type : 15 |
| ASRS Report | 458580 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : student |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On a night VFR cross country with a foreign student, the approach controller gave us a VFR descent at our discretion from 4000 ft MSL. I told my student (who spoke only broken english) to descend to 2500 ft. Meanwhile, I looked up the tower frequency as I assumed we would be handed off soon. As I was about to tune the frequency, I noticed my student was descending lower than 2500 ft. While instructing him to maintain 2500 ft, I inadvertently tuned tower on the radio that we had been talking to approach on. When I called approach to let the controller know we would be descending to 2000 ft, I was supposed to hear tower call back. He advised me to stay with him. I clarified his instructions. In the future, I will correct my student and wait to change frequencys.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA34 INSTRUCTOR PLT CHANGES OVER TO ABE TWR FROM APCH CTL SOONER THAN PLANNED WHILE HE WAS INSTRUCTING HIS STUDENT REGARDING AN ALT ASSIGNMENT SW OF ABE, PA.
Narrative: ON A NIGHT VFR XCOUNTRY WITH A FOREIGN STUDENT, THE APCH CTLR GAVE US A VFR DSCNT AT OUR DISCRETION FROM 4000 FT MSL. I TOLD MY STUDENT (WHO SPOKE ONLY BROKEN ENGLISH) TO DSND TO 2500 FT. MEANWHILE, I LOOKED UP THE TWR FREQ AS I ASSUMED WE WOULD BE HANDED OFF SOON. AS I WAS ABOUT TO TUNE THE FREQ, I NOTICED MY STUDENT WAS DSNDING LOWER THAN 2500 FT. WHILE INSTRUCTING HIM TO MAINTAIN 2500 FT, I INADVERTENTLY TUNED TWR ON THE RADIO THAT WE HAD BEEN TALKING TO APCH ON. WHEN I CALLED APCH TO LET THE CTLR KNOW WE WOULD BE DSNDING TO 2000 FT, I WAS SUPPOSED TO HEAR TWR CALL BACK. HE ADVISED ME TO STAY WITH HIM. I CLARIFIED HIS INSTRUCTIONS. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL CORRECT MY STUDENT AND WAIT TO CHANGE FREQS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.