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First officer of a super MD80 complaint of the company correlation of the lahso and balked landing runway criteria required at various scheduled locations lacked meeting the balked landing consideration when agreeing to lahso requests for certain runways.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 458230 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199912 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : msp.airport |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
| ASRS Report | 458230 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Company |
| Primary Problem | Company |
| Situations | |
| Chart | airport : msp.airport |
Narrative:
ATC facility: msp. Recent changes to flight manual part ii require accurate lahso information to be looked up on both the air carrier 10-7 pages and the commercial 10-9A or 11-1 pages. The 1-7 pages refer crews to look at the 10-9 pages for balked landing procedures. This leads to confusion because the 10-9 pages list all -- repeat all lahso alds even if they are not approved. Second, in almost all cases, the balked landing instructions do not -- repeat do not reduce the chance of an intersection collision in case of a balked landing and only fill the square of having a procedure in place. Air carrier should refrain from lahso's at any location that the balked landing procedure fails to insure separation as required by the FAA.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FO OF A SUPER MD80 COMPLAINT OF THE COMPANY CORRELATION OF THE LAHSO AND BALKED LNDG RWY CRITERIA REQUIRED AT VARIOUS SCHEDULED LOCATIONS LACKED MEETING THE BALKED LNDG CONSIDERATION WHEN AGREEING TO LAHSO REQUESTS FOR CERTAIN RWYS.
Narrative: ATC FACILITY: MSP. RECENT CHANGES TO FLT MANUAL PART II REQUIRE ACCURATE LAHSO INFO TO BE LOOKED UP ON BOTH THE ACR 10-7 PAGES AND THE COMMERCIAL 10-9A OR 11-1 PAGES. THE 1-7 PAGES REFER CREWS TO LOOK AT THE 10-9 PAGES FOR BALKED LNDG PROCS. THIS LEADS TO CONFUSION BECAUSE THE 10-9 PAGES LIST ALL -- REPEAT ALL LAHSO ALDS EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT APPROVED. SECOND, IN ALMOST ALL CASES, THE BALKED LNDG INSTRUCTIONS DO NOT -- REPEAT DO NOT REDUCE THE CHANCE OF AN INTXN COLLISION IN CASE OF A BALKED LNDG AND ONLY FILL THE SQUARE OF HAVING A PROC IN PLACE. ACR SHOULD REFRAIN FROM LAHSO'S AT ANY LOCATION THAT THE BALKED LNDG PROC FAILS TO INSURE SEPARATION AS REQUIRED BY THE FAA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.