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Light transport turbojet pilot departing hpn on a SID claims the ATCT controller issued a fly runway heading clearance.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 456930 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199912 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : hpn.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 0 msl bound upper : 800 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : hpn.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
| Route In Use | departure sid : westchester |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6900 flight time type : 1700 |
| ASRS Report | 456930 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to original clearance |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
The situation was that the controller said, you need a tight turn and speed 190 KTS when flying the SID westchester 9 off runway 16 at white plains. He explained that there is a conflict with lga traffic if you don't follow the SID. But the problem was that when the tower cleared us for takeoff, he said to fly runway heading. This clearance means to me that he wanted me to fly runway heading to avoid traffic in lieu of the SID. The controller seemed to be upset I flew runway heading and took a long time to make my turn. In fact, I had to ask the tower, when should I make my turn. In this situation, the tower should clarify and say, fly the SID, or do not fly the SID, fly runway heading.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LTT TURBOJET PLT DEPARTING HPN ON A SID CLAIMS THE ATCT CTLR ISSUED A FLY RWY HDG CLRNC.
Narrative: THE SIT WAS THAT THE CTLR SAID, YOU NEED A TIGHT TURN AND SPD 190 KTS WHEN FLYING THE SID WESTCHESTER 9 OFF RWY 16 AT WHITE PLAINS. HE EXPLAINED THAT THERE IS A CONFLICT WITH LGA TFC IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE SID. BUT THE PROB WAS THAT WHEN THE TWR CLRED US FOR TKOF, HE SAID TO FLY RWY HDG. THIS CLRNC MEANS TO ME THAT HE WANTED ME TO FLY RWY HDG TO AVOID TFC IN LIEU OF THE SID. THE CTLR SEEMED TO BE UPSET I FLEW RWY HDG AND TOOK A LONG TIME TO MAKE MY TURN. IN FACT, I HAD TO ASK THE TWR, WHEN SHOULD I MAKE MY TURN. IN THIS SIT, THE TWR SHOULD CLARIFY AND SAY, FLY THE SID, OR DO NOT FLY THE SID, FLY RWY HDG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.