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A B767 flight crew had an airborne conflict while on radar vectors to intercept widely spaced parallel runways at sdf.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 456564 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199912 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sdf.airport |
| State Reference | KY |
| Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sdf.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 17l other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sdf.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 17r |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | other pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 5 |
| ASRS Report | 456564 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
This approach controller had us on a vector to intercept the final (runway 17L) but never told us to intercept. She wanted us to call the traffic on runway 17R final 'in sight,' but without TCASII, and the ceiling low and being nighttime, we could not call it in sight. She became a little flustered with us and forgot to clear us for the approach. The GS was below the aircraft and we were on a collision course with the other aircraft. We urgently inquired as to whether she wanted us to intercept the final and if we were cleared for the approach, and she finally said yes. I had to go down 2000 FPM (she cleared us to 2500 ft) to capture the GS. We need TCASII -- especially in zoos like sdf. (Before it is too late!) and no ATC training at night please!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B767 FLC HAD AN AIRBORNE CONFLICT WHILE ON RADAR VECTORS TO INTERCEPT WIDELY SPACED PARALLEL RWYS AT SDF.
Narrative: THIS APCH CTLR HAD US ON A VECTOR TO INTERCEPT THE FINAL (RWY 17L) BUT NEVER TOLD US TO INTERCEPT. SHE WANTED US TO CALL THE TFC ON RWY 17R FINAL 'IN SIGHT,' BUT WITHOUT TCASII, AND THE CEILING LOW AND BEING NIGHTTIME, WE COULD NOT CALL IT IN SIGHT. SHE BECAME A LITTLE FLUSTERED WITH US AND FORGOT TO CLR US FOR THE APCH. THE GS WAS BELOW THE ACFT AND WE WERE ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH THE OTHER ACFT. WE URGENTLY INQUIRED AS TO WHETHER SHE WANTED US TO INTERCEPT THE FINAL AND IF WE WERE CLRED FOR THE APCH, AND SHE FINALLY SAID YES. I HAD TO GO DOWN 2000 FPM (SHE CLRED US TO 2500 FT) TO CAPTURE THE GS. WE NEED TCASII -- ESPECIALLY IN ZOOS LIKE SDF. (BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!) AND NO ATC TRAINING AT NIGHT PLEASE!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.