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An MD80 flight crew was told they should have remained on the radar vector heading rather than have turned final on approach to ord.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 456271 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199911 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | msl single value : 6000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 14r |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 456271 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On crosswind vector to runway 14R at ord. While on crosswind vector to a tight final to runway 14R, approach control cleared us to descend and for the visual approach to runway 14R and to maintain speed until the marker and call tower at the marker. We lined up on the localizer to runway 14R at which time approach barks at us saying that his 110 degree heading was mandatory and it was not our option to line up. This was very confusing and should not have been a call given that we had been cleared for the visual approach after calling the traffic and runway in sight. We would have overshot the lineup for runway 14R into the runway 14L approach path if we had been following the erroneous instructions of a 110 degree heading. We in the cockpit agreed that we were cleared for the visual approach and that is what we did.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN MD80 FLC WAS TOLD THEY SHOULD HAVE REMAINED ON THE RADAR VECTOR HEADING RATHER THAN HAVE TURNED FINAL ON APCH TO ORD.
Narrative: ON XWIND VECTOR TO RWY 14R AT ORD. WHILE ON XWIND VECTOR TO A TIGHT FINAL TO RWY 14R, APCH CTL CLRED US TO DSND AND FOR THE VISUAL APCH TO RWY 14R AND TO MAINTAIN SPD UNTIL THE MARKER AND CALL TWR AT THE MARKER. WE LINED UP ON THE LOC TO RWY 14R AT WHICH TIME APCH BARKS AT US SAYING THAT HIS 110 DEG HDG WAS MANDATORY AND IT WAS NOT OUR OPTION TO LINE UP. THIS WAS VERY CONFUSING AND SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A CALL GIVEN THAT WE HAD BEEN CLRED FOR THE VISUAL APCH AFTER CALLING THE TFC AND RWY IN SIGHT. WE WOULD HAVE OVERSHOT THE LINEUP FOR RWY 14R INTO THE RWY 14L APCH PATH IF WE HAD BEEN FOLLOWING THE ERRONEOUS INSTRUCTIONS OF A 110 DEG HDG. WE IN THE COCKPIT AGREED THAT WE WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL APCH AND THAT IS WHAT WE DID.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.