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Approach controller at P31 is concerned about NAS T34 doing aerobatic training that is near the arrival departure gate for pns airport.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 454519 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199907 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : p31.tracon |
| State Reference | FL |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Mentor (T-34) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar pilot : private pilot : instrument |
| Experience | controller limited radar : 12 controller non radar : 1 controller radar : 14 flight time total : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 454519 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : military |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : military |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance Airport ATC Facility ATC Human Performance Aircraft |
| Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
The military uses an area over the beach that is in line with our arrival/departure gate. The T34's operate from the surface to 9000 ft. There are many TCASII RA's and a lot of traffic to be given. There is an MOA to the north but P31 management does not want to ask the military to move these aircraft to the north MOA. Pilots ask what can be done and the only answer we have is NASA forms. Someone will get hurt some day. Maybe not there, but in P31 airspace because of the amount of traffic that must be given that other traffic may not be given. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated the military has so many aircraft training in the area, 6 days a week, that management is reluctant to ask the military to make any changes. The reporter feels a corridor along the beach area would make flying into and out of pns safer. The pns airport serves DC9 scheduled airliners.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: APCH CTLR AT P31 IS CONCERNED ABOUT NAS T34 DOING AEROBATIC TRAINING THAT IS NEAR THE ARR DEP GATE FOR PNS ARPT.
Narrative: THE MIL USES AN AREA OVER THE BEACH THAT IS IN LINE WITH OUR ARR/DEP GATE. THE T34'S OPERATE FROM THE SURFACE TO 9000 FT. THERE ARE MANY TCASII RA'S AND A LOT OF TFC TO BE GIVEN. THERE IS AN MOA TO THE N BUT P31 MGMNT DOES NOT WANT TO ASK THE MIL TO MOVE THESE ACFT TO THE N MOA. PLTS ASK WHAT CAN BE DONE AND THE ONLY ANSWER WE HAVE IS NASA FORMS. SOMEONE WILL GET HURT SOME DAY. MAYBE NOT THERE, BUT IN P31 AIRSPACE BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TFC THAT MUST BE GIVEN THAT OTHER TFC MAY NOT BE GIVEN. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THE MIL HAS SO MANY ACFT TRAINING IN THE AREA, 6 DAYS A WK, THAT MGMNT IS RELUCTANT TO ASK THE MIL TO MAKE ANY CHANGES. THE RPTR FEELS A CORRIDOR ALONG THE BEACH AREA WOULD MAKE FLYING INTO AND OUT OF PNS SAFER. THE PNS ARPT SERVES DC9 SCHEDULED AIRLINERS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.