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Flight crew of a super MD80 undershot descent altitude for approach clearance due to given insufficient time in which to descend by controller.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 448331 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199909 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : cri.vor |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 448331 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| ASRS Report | 448330 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : altimeter other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Location: cri VOR, 223 degree radial, 6 DME. We were cleared to 3000 ft and for the VOR runway 13L approach at jfk. Inbound to asalt we were slowed to 210 KTS for traffic ahead of us. At approximately 9 DME, approach control requested 190 KTS, cross asalt at 2000 ft, and to call jfk tower. I switched to tower and then realized we could not make the altitude. We crossed asalt approximately 500 ft high. The controller should have given us more time to make our restr, or I should have told him that we were unable to cross asalt at 2000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A SUPER MD80 UNDERSHOT DSCNT ALT FOR APCH CLRNC DUE TO GIVEN INSUFFICIENT TIME IN WHICH TO DSND BY CTLR.
Narrative: LOCATION: CRI VOR, 223 DEG RADIAL, 6 DME. WE WERE CLRED TO 3000 FT AND FOR THE VOR RWY 13L APCH AT JFK. INBOUND TO ASALT WE WERE SLOWED TO 210 KTS FOR TFC AHEAD OF US. AT APPROX 9 DME, APCH CTL REQUESTED 190 KTS, CROSS ASALT AT 2000 FT, AND TO CALL JFK TWR. I SWITCHED TO TWR AND THEN REALIZED WE COULD NOT MAKE THE ALT. WE CROSSED ASALT APPROX 500 FT HIGH. THE CTLR SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US MORE TIME TO MAKE OUR RESTR, OR I SHOULD HAVE TOLD HIM THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO CROSS ASALT AT 2000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.