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Reporter states his aircraft X had a TCASII RA with aircraft Y. Reporter also said that the approach controller did a poor job in providing ATC control instructions. No loss of separation occurred.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 444195 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199907 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : ldn.vortac |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 12300 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : dca.tracon tower : lax.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A320 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : dca.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 900 |
| ASRS Report | 444195 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
On climb out from dca, departure control cleared us to 17000 ft. We were climbing at 2000 FPM as we went through 12000 ft, departure told us to leveloff at 12000 ft, which we attempted to do. A second later departure told us to continue our climb to 17000 ft. (We had ballooned to 12300 ft) when we got a TCASII RA to descend. We started our descent back down and I advised ATC. We saw the traffic pass off our left and were in no danger. I advised ATC and requested climb. We were then cleared to 17000 ft. Prior to all the TCASII action we were initially given a 180 degree heading after we passed the dca 328 degree radial/12 DME, then 160 degree heading. Next we were given 300 degrees. After a few seconds departure told us to tighten our turn. I advised them we were turning at maximum rate now. I feel that the controller did a poor job of vectoring and altitude separation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR STATES HIS ACFT X HAD A TCASII RA WITH ACFT Y. RPTR ALSO SAID THAT THE APCH CTLR DID A POOR JOB IN PROVIDING ATC CTL INSTRUCTIONS. NO LOSS OF SEPARATION OCCURRED.
Narrative: ON CLBOUT FROM DCA, DEP CTL CLRED US TO 17000 FT. WE WERE CLBING AT 2000 FPM AS WE WENT THROUGH 12000 FT, DEP TOLD US TO LEVELOFF AT 12000 FT, WHICH WE ATTEMPTED TO DO. A SECOND LATER DEP TOLD US TO CONTINUE OUR CLB TO 17000 FT. (WE HAD BALLOONED TO 12300 FT) WHEN WE GOT A TCASII RA TO DSND. WE STARTED OUR DSCNT BACK DOWN AND I ADVISED ATC. WE SAW THE TFC PASS OFF OUR L AND WERE IN NO DANGER. I ADVISED ATC AND REQUESTED CLB. WE WERE THEN CLRED TO 17000 FT. PRIOR TO ALL THE TCASII ACTION WE WERE INITIALLY GIVEN A 180 DEG HDG AFTER WE PASSED THE DCA 328 DEG RADIAL/12 DME, THEN 160 DEG HDG. NEXT WE WERE GIVEN 300 DEGS. AFTER A FEW SECONDS DEP TOLD US TO TIGHTEN OUR TURN. I ADVISED THEM WE WERE TURNING AT MAX RATE NOW. I FEEL THAT THE CTLR DID A POOR JOB OF VECTORING AND ALT SEPARATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.