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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 441092 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199906 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sfo.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 1500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : sfo.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 28r |
| Route In Use | approach other arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : sfo.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 441092 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action flight crew : executed missed approach flight crew : took evasive action |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport FAA |
| Primary Problem | FAA |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : sfo.tower |
Narrative:
Sfo pass on final, causes TCASII RA. While executing FMS qball approach and speed restr, controller kept getting me to say I had a B737 at my 8 O'clock position in sight and same him me. They allowed him to close on us to the point I received a TCASII RA, which I followed, which resulted in a missed approach. The verbiage during and after this event indicated the sfo controllers are unaware that I have no legal authority/authorized (nor desire) to assume that a third aircraft has not -- repeat not -- intruded the airspace and disregard the TCASII warning. They are evidently of the belief that if they can get both aircraft to see each other TCASII may be disregarded. If I am in error on the legalities of this type situation, I would appreciate a message back, though I would have to think long and hard about disregard of any TCASII warning. It has saved the bacon for many I know.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 FLC EXECUTED A MISSED APCH AFTER GETTING A TCASII RA ON FINAL APCH AT SFO.
Narrative: SFO PASS ON FINAL, CAUSES TCASII RA. WHILE EXECUTING FMS QBALL APCH AND SPD RESTR, CTLR KEPT GETTING ME TO SAY I HAD A B737 AT MY 8 O'CLOCK POS IN SIGHT AND SAME HIM ME. THEY ALLOWED HIM TO CLOSE ON US TO THE POINT I RECEIVED A TCASII RA, WHICH I FOLLOWED, WHICH RESULTED IN A MISSED APCH. THE VERBIAGE DURING AND AFTER THIS EVENT INDICATED THE SFO CTLRS ARE UNAWARE THAT I HAVE NO LEGAL AUTH (NOR DESIRE) TO ASSUME THAT A THIRD ACFT HAS NOT -- REPEAT NOT -- INTRUDED THE AIRSPACE AND DISREGARD THE TCASII WARNING. THEY ARE EVIDENTLY OF THE BELIEF THAT IF THEY CAN GET BOTH ACFT TO SEE EACH OTHER TCASII MAY BE DISREGARDED. IF I AM IN ERROR ON THE LEGALITIES OF THIS TYPE SIT, I WOULD APPRECIATE A MESSAGE BACK, THOUGH I WOULD HAVE TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT DISREGARD OF ANY TCASII WARNING. IT HAS SAVED THE BACON FOR MANY I KNOW.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.