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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 440973 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199906 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : gvo.vortac |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 4000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sba.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee Arrow IV |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | Other other vortac |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 289 flight time total : 866 flight time type : 30 |
| ASRS Report | 440973 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Aircraft |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was on IFR flight from santa monica to santa barbara. On the VOR approach to runway 25 at sba, I was instructed to cross kwang intersection at 4000 ft and cleared for the approach. When my #2 navigation indicated we were at kwang, I began to descend. Sba approach wanted to know why I started to descend. I told ATC we had passed kwang, but ATC said we were just getting there and should have still been at 4000 ft. I told ATC that there had been occasional problems with the #2 navigation on this rental aircraft -- the needle would stick or be sluggish or inaccurate. It had been reported weeks earlier, but numerous pilots had not reported any problem and I do not believe it was ever repaired. I performed a vot check at smo before departure and the vors were operational, although #2 appeared somewhat sluggish but perfectly usable. We were then given vectors to the sba final approach course -- the 099 degree radial off the gaviota VOR. Even when tuned in and doublechked, ATC said we were about 1 mi left of course. The navs on board (#1 and #2) indicated we were right on course. Anyway, not sure whether the problem was caused by a faulty navigation on the plane, a problem with ATC's radar, or a combination of both. Flight landed without incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA28-161 DSNDS BEFORE XING THE KWANG INTXN WHEN HIS #2 VOR INDICATES THE SPECIFIED FIX TOO EARLY E OF SBA, CA.
Narrative: I WAS ON IFR FLT FROM SANTA MONICA TO SANTA BARBARA. ON THE VOR APCH TO RWY 25 AT SBA, I WAS INSTRUCTED TO CROSS KWANG INTXN AT 4000 FT AND CLRED FOR THE APCH. WHEN MY #2 NAV INDICATED WE WERE AT KWANG, I BEGAN TO DSND. SBA APCH WANTED TO KNOW WHY I STARTED TO DSND. I TOLD ATC WE HAD PASSED KWANG, BUT ATC SAID WE WERE JUST GETTING THERE AND SHOULD HAVE STILL BEEN AT 4000 FT. I TOLD ATC THAT THERE HAD BEEN OCCASIONAL PROBS WITH THE #2 NAV ON THIS RENTAL ACFT -- THE NEEDLE WOULD STICK OR BE SLUGGISH OR INACCURATE. IT HAD BEEN RPTED WKS EARLIER, BUT NUMEROUS PLTS HAD NOT RPTED ANY PROB AND I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS EVER REPAIRED. I PERFORMED A VOT CHK AT SMO BEFORE DEP AND THE VORS WERE OPERATIONAL, ALTHOUGH #2 APPEARED SOMEWHAT SLUGGISH BUT PERFECTLY USABLE. WE WERE THEN GIVEN VECTORS TO THE SBA FINAL APCH COURSE -- THE 099 DEG RADIAL OFF THE GAVIOTA VOR. EVEN WHEN TUNED IN AND DOUBLECHKED, ATC SAID WE WERE ABOUT 1 MI L OF COURSE. THE NAVS ON BOARD (#1 AND #2) INDICATED WE WERE RIGHT ON COURSE. ANYWAY, NOT SURE WHETHER THE PROB WAS CAUSED BY A FAULTY NAV ON THE PLANE, A PROB WITH ATC'S RADAR, OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH. FLT LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.