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A descending air carrier passes its holding point at bdf while the crew is attempting to coordinate a diversion to mke because of traffic delays and low fuel situation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 435309 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199904 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : bdf.vortac |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 27000 msl bound upper : 31000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Weather Elements | Thunderstorm Snow Rain Ice Turbulence |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival star : bdf3 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 1400 |
| ASRS Report | 435309 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 434892 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : turbulence inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Weather Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Cleared bdf.BDF3 to ord, hold as published. Informed center unable to hold due to fuel state. Cleared to descend to FL270. During descent, center asked if we could go jvl.JVL4, we said we could but quickly changed our minds to divert to mke and informed center. As we passed bdf (approximately 1 min east) center asked if we were entering the hold and gave us a 180 degree heading and descent to FL240. We are not sure if we were cleared to jvl, negating the holding or not. All this happened while IMC -- icing, deviating around thunderstorms, calculating fuel and coordinating a divert. High workload in a 2 man cockpit. Supplemental information from acn 434892: we were given holding at bdf. We informed ZAU that we had no fuel to hold and asked if the efc was firm. They informed us that it was for the bdf arrs, but we could get right in if we could go to jvl and fly the jvl arrival. Center told us that we could not go to mke until we were lower and then asked if we had entered holding. Center gave us a turn to 180 degrees then later back to mke. There was much confusion centered around the jvl arrival, bdf arrival, and mke divert. The error was mine in missing bdf hold fix. Extenuating circumstances were: WX, divert, icing, turbulence, possible change of arrival and fuel.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DSNDING ACR PASSES ITS HOLDING POINT AT BDF WHILE THE CREW IS ATTEMPTING TO COORDINATE A DIVERSION TO MKE BECAUSE OF TFC DELAYS AND LOW FUEL SIT.
Narrative: CLRED BDF.BDF3 TO ORD, HOLD AS PUBLISHED. INFORMED CTR UNABLE TO HOLD DUE TO FUEL STATE. CLRED TO DSND TO FL270. DURING DSCNT, CTR ASKED IF WE COULD GO JVL.JVL4, WE SAID WE COULD BUT QUICKLY CHANGED OUR MINDS TO DIVERT TO MKE AND INFORMED CTR. AS WE PASSED BDF (APPROX 1 MIN E) CTR ASKED IF WE WERE ENTERING THE HOLD AND GAVE US A 180 DEG HDG AND DSCNT TO FL240. WE ARE NOT SURE IF WE WERE CLRED TO JVL, NEGATING THE HOLDING OR NOT. ALL THIS HAPPENED WHILE IMC -- ICING, DEVIATING AROUND TSTMS, CALCULATING FUEL AND COORDINATING A DIVERT. HIGH WORKLOAD IN A 2 MAN COCKPIT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 434892: WE WERE GIVEN HOLDING AT BDF. WE INFORMED ZAU THAT WE HAD NO FUEL TO HOLD AND ASKED IF THE EFC WAS FIRM. THEY INFORMED US THAT IT WAS FOR THE BDF ARRS, BUT WE COULD GET RIGHT IN IF WE COULD GO TO JVL AND FLY THE JVL ARR. CTR TOLD US THAT WE COULD NOT GO TO MKE UNTIL WE WERE LOWER AND THEN ASKED IF WE HAD ENTERED HOLDING. CTR GAVE US A TURN TO 180 DEGS THEN LATER BACK TO MKE. THERE WAS MUCH CONFUSION CTRED AROUND THE JVL ARR, BDF ARR, AND MKE DIVERT. THE ERROR WAS MINE IN MISSING BDF HOLD FIX. EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES WERE: WX, DIVERT, ICING, TURB, POSSIBLE CHANGE OF ARR AND FUEL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.