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An air carrier flight crew flying DC10-10 from lax gets conflicting instructions with lax tower with the instructions depicted on the SID.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 434420 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199904 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl single value : 200 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon tower : lax.tower tower : lyh.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
| Route In Use | departure : noise abatement departure : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : second officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 800 |
| ASRS Report | 434420 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 6000 |
| ASRS Report | 433964 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : provided flight assist flight crew : became reoriented |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Assigned LAXX3 departure out of lax, initially fly straight ahead until crossing smo 160 degree radial, then turn left to 220 degrees. Noise sensitive area. At 200 ft AGL, lax tower said to turn to 190 degrees and switched us to socal. A discussion ensued as to when tower wanted the 190 degree heading -- immediately, or when we crossed the smo 160 degree radial. On contacting socal, they said 'turn to 160 degrees, tighten the turn and climb to 13000 ft.' we complied.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR FLC FLYING DC10-10 FROM LAX GETS CONFLICTING INSTRUCTIONS WITH LAX TWR WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS DEPICTED ON THE SID.
Narrative: ASSIGNED LAXX3 DEP OUT OF LAX, INITIALLY FLY STRAIGHT AHEAD UNTIL XING SMO 160 DEG RADIAL, THEN TURN L TO 220 DEGS. NOISE SENSITIVE AREA. AT 200 FT AGL, LAX TWR SAID TO TURN TO 190 DEGS AND SWITCHED US TO SOCAL. A DISCUSSION ENSUED AS TO WHEN TWR WANTED THE 190 DEG HDG -- IMMEDIATELY, OR WHEN WE CROSSED THE SMO 160 DEG RADIAL. ON CONTACTING SOCAL, THEY SAID 'TURN TO 160 DEGS, TIGHTEN THE TURN AND CLB TO 13000 FT.' WE COMPLIED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.