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Unable to find company lahso data, JS32 flight crew lands, executed lahso procedure, and later determines that they should not have accepted lahso.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 434276 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199904 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : fwa.airport |
| State Reference | IN |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : fwa.tracon tower : fwa.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Jetstream 32 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : hold short |
| Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : fwa.tracon tower : fwa.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Gates Learjet Corp Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5200 flight time type : 1500 |
| ASRS Report | 434276 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : company policies other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were being vectored for visual approach. Approach control informed us that there was a learjet being vectored behind us with a gear emergency. I told the controller we would keep it in tight. He told us to contact tower. The tower was real busy so we couldn't talk to him until about base to final. He told us, 'cleared to land, hold short runway 23.' I accepted the hold short because in the past, we had in our company NOTAMS land and hold short performance for that runway. I also knew we were light and it would not be a problem. I pulled out my flight paperwork just to doublechk and could not find the NOTAM or land and hold short performance. I thought maybe it was revised in the performance manual, so I checked in that book, but it wasn't listed there either. I rechked my NOTAM list. By the time I did all of this, we were real short final. I elected to land and hold short, even without performance data. I thought it would be safer to land than go around and risk a collision course with the traffic taking off/landing on the other runway. We landed and held short no problem. I learned that I shouldn't accept a lahso clearance assuming data from the past, but I should have said no, looked up the information and then told him if I could or couldn't.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: UNABLE TO FIND COMPANY LAHSO DATA, JS32 FLC LANDS, EXECUTED LAHSO PROC, AND LATER DETERMINES THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE ACCEPTED LAHSO.
Narrative: WE WERE BEING VECTORED FOR VISUAL APCH. APCH CTL INFORMED US THAT THERE WAS A LEARJET BEING VECTORED BEHIND US WITH A GEAR EMER. I TOLD THE CTLR WE WOULD KEEP IT IN TIGHT. HE TOLD US TO CONTACT TWR. THE TWR WAS REAL BUSY SO WE COULDN'T TALK TO HIM UNTIL ABOUT BASE TO FINAL. HE TOLD US, 'CLRED TO LAND, HOLD SHORT RWY 23.' I ACCEPTED THE HOLD SHORT BECAUSE IN THE PAST, WE HAD IN OUR COMPANY NOTAMS LAND AND HOLD SHORT PERFORMANCE FOR THAT RWY. I ALSO KNEW WE WERE LIGHT AND IT WOULD NOT BE A PROB. I PULLED OUT MY FLT PAPERWORK JUST TO DOUBLECHK AND COULD NOT FIND THE NOTAM OR LAND AND HOLD SHORT PERFORMANCE. I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS REVISED IN THE PERFORMANCE MANUAL, SO I CHKED IN THAT BOOK, BUT IT WASN'T LISTED THERE EITHER. I RECHKED MY NOTAM LIST. BY THE TIME I DID ALL OF THIS, WE WERE REAL SHORT FINAL. I ELECTED TO LAND AND HOLD SHORT, EVEN WITHOUT PERFORMANCE DATA. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SAFER TO LAND THAN GO AROUND AND RISK A COLLISION COURSE WITH THE TFC TAKING OFF/LNDG ON THE OTHER RWY. WE LANDED AND HELD SHORT NO PROB. I LEARNED THAT I SHOULDN'T ACCEPT A LAHSO CLRNC ASSUMING DATA FROM THE PAST, BUT I SHOULD HAVE SAID NO, LOOKED UP THE INFO AND THEN TOLD HIM IF I COULD OR COULDN'T.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.