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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 433532 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199904 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : vwv.vor |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | msl single value : 29000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Route In Use | arrival star : wakem two |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 433532 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Our arrival filed and cleared was, vwv. Wakem 2 to cle. About over vwv, we received the following clearance: 'xxxxx, cleared to wakem, advise when ready to copy holding instructions.' we replied: 'roger, direct wakem, ready to copy.' 1/2 way to wakem it became clear that controller had intended for us to fly arrival routing vwv direct elija direct wakem, not direct. This was a classic case of incorrect 'hearback' not catching a miscom. Very interesting note: exactly 1 week later, same flight, same spot (vwv), different clear, we were told: 'xxxxx, your clearance limit is now wakem, expect holding.' a much clrer way to express the same thought!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC MISUNDERSTOOD ATC CLRNC.
Narrative: OUR ARR FILED AND CLRED WAS, VWV. WAKEM 2 TO CLE. ABOUT OVER VWV, WE RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING CLRNC: 'XXXXX, CLRED TO WAKEM, ADVISE WHEN READY TO COPY HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS.' WE REPLIED: 'ROGER, DIRECT WAKEM, READY TO COPY.' 1/2 WAY TO WAKEM IT BECAME CLR THAT CTLR HAD INTENDED FOR US TO FLY ARR ROUTING VWV DIRECT ELIJA DIRECT WAKEM, NOT DIRECT. THIS WAS A CLASSIC CASE OF INCORRECT 'HEARBACK' NOT CATCHING A MISCOM. VERY INTERESTING NOTE: EXACTLY 1 WK LATER, SAME FLT, SAME SPOT (VWV), DIFFERENT CLR, WE WERE TOLD: 'XXXXX, YOUR CLRNC LIMIT IS NOW WAKEM, EXPECT HOLDING.' A MUCH CLRER WAY TO EXPRESS THE SAME THOUGHT!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.