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A challenger 600 was given an off airway radar vector heading by ZME. Pilot observed TCASII traffic at 35 NM and demanded the reason for the heading which turned into a heated exchange.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 433518 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199903 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : zme.artcc |
| State Reference | TN |
| Altitude | msl single value : 35000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme.artcc |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Challenger CL600 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme.artcc |
| Operator | Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 433518 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 95 flight time total : 3800 flight time type : 200 |
| ASRS Report | 433666 |
| Events | |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other controllerb other flight crewa |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
At FL350, cruising wbound, controller gave us a turn of 85 degrees to the right, directly at sbound FL350 traffic (TCASII showed aircraft at 35 mi). I questioned turn and was rudely told to just turn. I complied. Then I let the controller know that I was the captain of aircraft. I called ZME and center manager forwarded call to quality assurance. They reviewed communication tape and said controller was right to do the turn. I asked why the turn, and was told 'I guess it was due to traffic.' I don't want a guess as an answer. Controller nor quality assurance were absolutely no help. I requested all tapes of incident to be saved. Pilot is captain of aircraft, not controller. Supplemental information from acn 433666: I am filing this report because I have been advised to, even though I wasn't in the cockpit at the time of the occurrence of this incident. Additionally all information is secondhand as related to me by the captain. I made no notes about this incident at the time because I wasn't in the cockpit when it occurred. Apparently the controller never used the word 'immediately' and never issued traffic information. I can't remember everything the captain said to me but he pointed to the TCASII and it looked like a better way to separate us from the crossing traffic was to turn the other aircraft 45 degrees left to go behind us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CHALLENGER 600 WAS GIVEN AN OFF AIRWAY RADAR VECTOR HDG BY ZME. PLT OBSERVED TCASII TFC AT 35 NM AND DEMANDED THE REASON FOR THE HDG WHICH TURNED INTO A HEATED EXCHANGE.
Narrative: AT FL350, CRUISING WBOUND, CTLR GAVE US A TURN OF 85 DEGS TO THE R, DIRECTLY AT SBOUND FL350 TFC (TCASII SHOWED ACFT AT 35 MI). I QUESTIONED TURN AND WAS RUDELY TOLD TO JUST TURN. I COMPLIED. THEN I LET THE CTLR KNOW THAT I WAS THE CAPT OF ACFT. I CALLED ZME AND CTR MGR FORWARDED CALL TO QUALITY ASSURANCE. THEY REVIEWED COM TAPE AND SAID CTLR WAS RIGHT TO DO THE TURN. I ASKED WHY THE TURN, AND WAS TOLD 'I GUESS IT WAS DUE TO TFC.' I DON'T WANT A GUESS AS AN ANSWER. CTLR NOR QUALITY ASSURANCE WERE ABSOLUTELY NO HELP. I REQUESTED ALL TAPES OF INCIDENT TO BE SAVED. PLT IS CAPT OF ACFT, NOT CTLR. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 433666: I AM FILING THIS RPT BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN ADVISED TO, EVEN THOUGH I WASN'T IN THE COCKPIT AT THE TIME OF THE OCCURRENCE OF THIS INCIDENT. ADDITIONALLY ALL INFO IS SECONDHAND AS RELATED TO ME BY THE CAPT. I MADE NO NOTES ABOUT THIS INCIDENT AT THE TIME BECAUSE I WASN'T IN THE COCKPIT WHEN IT OCCURRED. APPARENTLY THE CTLR NEVER USED THE WORD 'IMMEDIATELY' AND NEVER ISSUED TFC INFO. I CAN'T REMEMBER EVERYTHING THE CAPT SAID TO ME BUT HE POINTED TO THE TCASII AND IT LOOKED LIKE A BETTER WAY TO SEPARATE US FROM THE XING TFC WAS TO TURN THE OTHER ACFT 45 DEGS L TO GO BEHIND US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.