An air carrier MD80 flight crew on short final approach encounters a cessna aircraft on a traffic wa...

Attributes
ACN	431891
Time
Date	199903
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
State Reference	TX
Altitude	msl single value : 1000
Environment
Light	Daylight
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
ASRS Report	431891
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : multi engine
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne critical non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Miss Distance	horizontal : 15000 vertical : 0
Supplementary
Problem Areas	FAA ATC Human Performance Airport
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

On short final to runway 36L dfw at approximately 1000 ft MSL, we received a TCASII TA for traffic. Traffic was seen at approximately 2 O'clock, 2 1/2 mi, at same altitude opposite direction. We were about 3-4 mi on final. We asked tower about traffic, but he was too busy to answer. We asked ground about the situation and they said it was most likely a traffic airplane. They usually use 134.9 for aircraft moving through class B airspace and if tower has time they will inform us about the traffic. This is an unsafe situation. We should always be told about traffic that is this close to us and they should be on the same frequency. This was a C152 or C172. I would like to know why another airplane is allowed to come so close to us in class B airspace without being on the same frequency or being told about the traffic.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ACR MD80 FLC ON SHORT FINAL APCH ENCOUNTERS A CESSNA ACFT ON A TFC WATCH MISSION THAT THE TWR CTLR WAS TOO BUSY TO POINT OUT TO THEM.

Narrative: ON SHORT FINAL TO RWY 36L DFW AT APPROX 1000 FT MSL, WE RECEIVED A TCASII TA FOR TFC. TFC WAS SEEN AT APPROX 2 O'CLOCK, 2 1/2 MI, AT SAME ALT OPPOSITE DIRECTION. WE WERE ABOUT 3-4 MI ON FINAL. WE ASKED TWR ABOUT TFC, BUT HE WAS TOO BUSY TO ANSWER. WE ASKED GND ABOUT THE SIT AND THEY SAID IT WAS MOST LIKELY A TFC AIRPLANE. THEY USUALLY USE 134.9 FOR ACFT MOVING THROUGH CLASS B AIRSPACE AND IF TWR HAS TIME THEY WILL INFORM US ABOUT THE TFC. THIS IS AN UNSAFE SIT. WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE TOLD ABOUT TFC THAT IS THIS CLOSE TO US AND THEY SHOULD BE ON THE SAME FREQ. THIS WAS A C152 OR C172. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY ANOTHER AIRPLANE IS ALLOWED TO COME SO CLOSE TO US IN CLASS B AIRSPACE WITHOUT BEING ON THE SAME FREQ OR BEING TOLD ABOUT THE TFC.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

An air carrier MD80 flight crew on short final approach encounters a cessna aircraft on a traffic watch mission that the tower controller was too busy to point out to them.