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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 431247 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199903 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : bzn.airport |
| State Reference | MT |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7300 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : bzn.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : bzn.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure : vfr |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 60 |
| ASRS Report | 431247 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was on an instrument training flight in VMC in a C172 with a student and was inbound from the procedure turn on the bzn VOR 12 approach. About 2 mi from the airport, bzn tower advised he had an air carrier Y B727 ready for departure on runway 30 and advised by tower to terminate the approach. I acknowledged this and requested a right climbing turn outbound to manni (IAF) for executing the ILS runway 12 approach. This was approved by tower with the instruction to maintain visual separation with the air carrier Y flight and was cautioned of wake turbulence of the B727. Since the air carrier Y departed on runway 30 and was outbound on what I presumed to be the 298 degree radial, I flew parallel to the 298 degree radial an estimated 1 mi to the northwest. I had visual on the air carrier Y flight at all times until he turned left and crossed behind and below me apparently turning on course. Air carrier Y then called bzn tower and complained that I had not maintained visual separation. The air carrier Y pilot needs to review far 91.113 (B) and (F).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC BTWN A C172 IN LEVEL FT OUTBOUND PARALLEL TO THE INBOUND ILS APCH AND A B727 CLBING OUT AFTER TKOF AND TURNING BELOW AND BEHIND THE C172.
Narrative: I WAS ON AN INST TRAINING FLT IN VMC IN A C172 WITH A STUDENT AND WAS INBOUND FROM THE PROC TURN ON THE BZN VOR 12 APCH. ABOUT 2 MI FROM THE ARPT, BZN TWR ADVISED HE HAD AN ACR Y B727 READY FOR DEP ON RWY 30 AND ADVISED BY TWR TO TERMINATE THE APCH. I ACKNOWLEDGED THIS AND REQUESTED A R CLBING TURN OUTBOUND TO MANNI (IAF) FOR EXECUTING THE ILS RWY 12 APCH. THIS WAS APPROVED BY TWR WITH THE INSTRUCTION TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION WITH THE ACR Y FLT AND WAS CAUTIONED OF WAKE TURB OF THE B727. SINCE THE ACR Y DEPARTED ON RWY 30 AND WAS OUTBOUND ON WHAT I PRESUMED TO BE THE 298 DEG RADIAL, I FLEW PARALLEL TO THE 298 DEG RADIAL AN ESTIMATED 1 MI TO THE NW. I HAD VISUAL ON THE ACR Y FLT AT ALL TIMES UNTIL HE TURNED L AND CROSSED BEHIND AND BELOW ME APPARENTLY TURNING ON COURSE. ACR Y THEN CALLED BZN TWR AND COMPLAINED THAT I HAD NOT MAINTAINED VISUAL SEPARATION. THE ACR Y PLT NEEDS TO REVIEW FAR 91.113 (B) AND (F).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.