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An EMB145 first officer turns back inbound in the rbv holding pattern when the N90 controller had asked the flight to 'continue downwind (leg).'
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 429215 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199902 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : rbv.vortac |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl single value : 9000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Embraer Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level cruise : holding |
| Route In Use | arrival : holding pattern arrival star : rbv |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 2100 flight time type : 100 |
| ASRS Report | 429215 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory |
| Miss Distance | vertical : 800 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The captain had to check in with the company and also talk to the passenger. So, I took over control of the radios while monitoring the autoplt. We were in a hold on the robbinsville 1 arrival (eno.RBV1). While turning onto the first downwind leg, ATC instructed us to 'continue downwind and I'll have an approach clearance for you shortly.' a few seconds later the captain resumed radio control. After the 1 min leg was up, I turned inbound on the hold. ATC then said 'you aren't turning back towards robbinsville are you?' we said 'say again' and he said 'disregard' we then had a traffic alert from 800 ft above us. Several seconds later he had us turn early to the outbound leg. No further problems. It was my understanding that I was to remain in the hold because the controller used 'holding' terminology rather than assigning me 'remain on current heading' or 'fly heading 250 degrees until advised.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN EMB145 FO TURNS BACK INBOUND IN THE RBV HOLDING PATTERN WHEN THE N90 CTLR HAD ASKED THE FLT TO 'CONTINUE DOWNWIND (LEG).'
Narrative: THE CAPT HAD TO CHK IN WITH THE COMPANY AND ALSO TALK TO THE PAX. SO, I TOOK OVER CTL OF THE RADIOS WHILE MONITORING THE AUTOPLT. WE WERE IN A HOLD ON THE ROBBINSVILLE 1 ARR (ENO.RBV1). WHILE TURNING ONTO THE FIRST DOWNWIND LEG, ATC INSTRUCTED US TO 'CONTINUE DOWNWIND AND I'LL HAVE AN APCH CLRNC FOR YOU SHORTLY.' A FEW SECONDS LATER THE CAPT RESUMED RADIO CTL. AFTER THE 1 MIN LEG WAS UP, I TURNED INBOUND ON THE HOLD. ATC THEN SAID 'YOU AREN'T TURNING BACK TOWARDS ROBBINSVILLE ARE YOU?' WE SAID 'SAY AGAIN' AND HE SAID 'DISREGARD' WE THEN HAD A TFC ALERT FROM 800 FT ABOVE US. SEVERAL SECONDS LATER HE HAD US TURN EARLY TO THE OUTBOUND LEG. NO FURTHER PROBS. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT I WAS TO REMAIN IN THE HOLD BECAUSE THE CTLR USED 'HOLDING' TERMINOLOGY RATHER THAN ASSIGNING ME 'REMAIN ON CURRENT HDG' OR 'FLY HDG 250 DEGS UNTIL ADVISED.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.