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A united states based air carrier crosses vucan intersection near yyc, ab, prior to the 'metering time' as issued by czeg center controller. Controller then issues a hold when he inquires as to whether the flight had 'entered the hold' at vucan.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 426810 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199901 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : yyc |
| State Reference | AB |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 16000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 426810 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Approximately 150 mi sse yyc, we were given the clearance 'air carrier X, pilot's discretion 12000 ft, yyc metering in effect, vucan at XA42Z.' we slowed down and began a descent. We crossed vucan at approximately 16000 ft and around XA39Z. Vucan is at 45 DME off of yyc. At approximately 40 DME off of yyc, edmonton center asked if we had entered holding. As we had received no holding instructions, we stated no, and asked if we had missed holding instructions. We were told to enter the hold right away, and that a 'metering time' was a holding clearance if we were going to cross vucan prior to XA42Z. We took 1 turn in holding and proceeded to yyc. We entered the hold at 35 DME. Nowhere in our operations manual for holding or operations in canada does it state that a metering time is a holding clearance. It also states that we should never accept holding without full holding clearance, including efc or EAC, inbound radial or 'published' holding pattern.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A UNITED STATES BASED ACR CROSSES VUCAN INTXN NEAR YYC, AB, PRIOR TO THE 'METERING TIME' AS ISSUED BY CZEG CTR CTLR. CTLR THEN ISSUES A HOLD WHEN HE INQUIRES AS TO WHETHER THE FLT HAD 'ENTERED THE HOLD' AT VUCAN.
Narrative: APPROX 150 MI SSE YYC, WE WERE GIVEN THE CLRNC 'ACR X, PLT'S DISCRETION 12000 FT, YYC METERING IN EFFECT, VUCAN AT XA42Z.' WE SLOWED DOWN AND BEGAN A DSCNT. WE CROSSED VUCAN AT APPROX 16000 FT AND AROUND XA39Z. VUCAN IS AT 45 DME OFF OF YYC. AT APPROX 40 DME OFF OF YYC, EDMONTON CTR ASKED IF WE HAD ENTERED HOLDING. AS WE HAD RECEIVED NO HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS, WE STATED NO, AND ASKED IF WE HAD MISSED HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS. WE WERE TOLD TO ENTER THE HOLD RIGHT AWAY, AND THAT A 'METERING TIME' WAS A HOLDING CLRNC IF WE WERE GOING TO CROSS VUCAN PRIOR TO XA42Z. WE TOOK 1 TURN IN HOLDING AND PROCEEDED TO YYC. WE ENTERED THE HOLD AT 35 DME. NOWHERE IN OUR OPS MANUAL FOR HOLDING OR OPS IN CANADA DOES IT STATE THAT A METERING TIME IS A HOLDING CLRNC. IT ALSO STATES THAT WE SHOULD NEVER ACCEPT HOLDING WITHOUT FULL HOLDING CLRNC, INCLUDING EFC OR EAC, INBOUND RADIAL OR 'PUBLISHED' HOLDING PATTERN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.