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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1801 To 2400|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : gnv|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 37000|
msl bound upper : 37000
|Operator||general aviation : corporate|
|Make Model Name||Learjet 60|
|Flight Phase||cruise other|
|Route In Use||arrival other|
arrival star : star
enroute airway : zjx
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 120|
flight time total : 3800
flight time type : 1100
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Anomaly||other anomaly other|
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : anomaly accepted|
|Consequence||faa : reviewed incident with flight crew|
|Air Traffic Incident||other|
The situation occurred in our descent just south of gnv, fl. We were talking to ZJX. They asked us to slow down to .76 mach for sequencing into tpa. Sounds normal enough. Then I see 2 planes go under us in the same direction. A few mins later, we were asked to turn 20 degrees left. Then we were asked to go 20 degrees right, then further 20 degrees to the right. I inquired as to where the aircraft below us were going. ATC said tpa. We were then handed off to another ZJX frequency. This guy told us to turn further right to a heading of 360 degrees. I queried this turn and he said he was having problems with the sector up the road. I've seen at least 3-4 airliners fly past us now. I asked ATC for their phone number, which he gave to me, then told us to fly to a fix on the arrival and handed us off. A lady was working the frequency. A second later, a man was working the frequency. He turned us toward the airport. We landed with no one in front of us. The other pilot, once we were on the ground, called the number that was given and talked to the acting supervisor of ZJX. The man said there would be an investigation of the poor handling and that there was an in-house conflict between the 2 ZJX sectors. If we were allowed to keep our heading and speed up, there would have been no conflict. The solution to this problem, would be better ATC training, and pilot/controller seminars to enhance ATC awareness of what we expect as far as handling and what they are capable of providing to us. They also need to be aware of each plane's potential speeds.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A LEARJET LR60 COMPLAINT ABOUT ARTCC RADAR CTLR HANDLING OF THE SEQUENCING OF TFC DURING A STAR ARR. ARTCC SUPVR SAID THAT THE MATTER WOULD BE INVESTIGATED SINCE THERE WAS AN IN-HOUSE CONFLICT BTWN 2 OF THE SECTORS.
Narrative: THE SIT OCCURRED IN OUR DSCNT JUST S OF GNV, FL. WE WERE TALKING TO ZJX. THEY ASKED US TO SLOW DOWN TO .76 MACH FOR SEQUENCING INTO TPA. SOUNDS NORMAL ENOUGH. THEN I SEE 2 PLANES GO UNDER US IN THE SAME DIRECTION. A FEW MINS LATER, WE WERE ASKED TO TURN 20 DEGS L. THEN WE WERE ASKED TO GO 20 DEGS R, THEN FURTHER 20 DEGS TO THE R. I INQUIRED AS TO WHERE THE ACFT BELOW US WERE GOING. ATC SAID TPA. WE WERE THEN HANDED OFF TO ANOTHER ZJX FREQ. THIS GUY TOLD US TO TURN FURTHER R TO A HDG OF 360 DEGS. I QUERIED THIS TURN AND HE SAID HE WAS HAVING PROBS WITH THE SECTOR UP THE ROAD. I'VE SEEN AT LEAST 3-4 AIRLINERS FLY PAST US NOW. I ASKED ATC FOR THEIR PHONE NUMBER, WHICH HE GAVE TO ME, THEN TOLD US TO FLY TO A FIX ON THE ARR AND HANDED US OFF. A LADY WAS WORKING THE FREQ. A SECOND LATER, A MAN WAS WORKING THE FREQ. HE TURNED US TOWARD THE ARPT. WE LANDED WITH NO ONE IN FRONT OF US. THE OTHER PLT, ONCE WE WERE ON THE GND, CALLED THE NUMBER THAT WAS GIVEN AND TALKED TO THE ACTING SUPVR OF ZJX. THE MAN SAID THERE WOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION OF THE POOR HANDLING AND THAT THERE WAS AN IN-HOUSE CONFLICT BTWN THE 2 ZJX SECTORS. IF WE WERE ALLOWED TO KEEP OUR HDG AND SPD UP, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO CONFLICT. THE SOLUTION TO THIS PROB, WOULD BE BETTER ATC TRAINING, AND PLT/CTLR SEMINARS TO ENHANCE ATC AWARENESS OF WHAT WE EXPECT AS FAR AS HANDLING AND WHAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF PROVIDING TO US. THEY ALSO NEED TO BE AWARE OF EACH PLANE'S POTENTIAL SPDS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.