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Flight crew of a canadair regional jet CL65 had confusion over the clearance instructions given by departure control and subsequently the center. However, the center gave vectors to provide standard spacing with other traffic and yet put reporter on intended flight plan track.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 420270 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199811 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : tys airport : tys |
| State Reference | TN |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 15000 msl bound upper : 15000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : tys tower : mia |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Challenger CL604 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other enroute : direct enroute : on vectors enroute airway : zid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 1955 flight time type : 77 |
| ASRS Report | 420270 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
The flight plan was hmv cheda sweed 4. We were cleared as filed. On climb out, we were given a heading of 310 degrees direct cheda when able from knoxville approach. We set the FMS up and went direct. ZID said fly 360 degrees to join. We said we were given direct cheda and were told, roger that will work. The next sector asked what we were doing. We were told, fly north to join. We explained and were given direction that they may need to give us vectors for spacing. We felt, due to the confusion from knoxville departure, nothing would have happened or if that was what departure meant then explain to ATC so no confusion would exit later. There have been other sits similar from knoxville as other crews have informed. I feel they need to be more precise about what they want at knoxville approach.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A CANADAIR REGIONAL JET CL65 HAD CONFUSION OVER THE CLRNC INSTRUCTIONS GIVEN BY DEP CTL AND SUBSEQUENTLY THE CTR. HOWEVER, THE CTR GAVE VECTORS TO PROVIDE STANDARD SPACING WITH OTHER TFC AND YET PUT RPTR ON INTENDED FLT PLAN TRACK.
Narrative: THE FLT PLAN WAS HMV CHEDA SWEED 4. WE WERE CLRED AS FILED. ON CLBOUT, WE WERE GIVEN A HDG OF 310 DEGS DIRECT CHEDA WHEN ABLE FROM KNOXVILLE APCH. WE SET THE FMS UP AND WENT DIRECT. ZID SAID FLY 360 DEGS TO JOIN. WE SAID WE WERE GIVEN DIRECT CHEDA AND WERE TOLD, ROGER THAT WILL WORK. THE NEXT SECTOR ASKED WHAT WE WERE DOING. WE WERE TOLD, FLY N TO JOIN. WE EXPLAINED AND WERE GIVEN DIRECTION THAT THEY MAY NEED TO GIVE US VECTORS FOR SPACING. WE FELT, DUE TO THE CONFUSION FROM KNOXVILLE DEP, NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED OR IF THAT WAS WHAT DEP MEANT THEN EXPLAIN TO ATC SO NO CONFUSION WOULD EXIT LATER. THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER SITS SIMILAR FROM KNOXVILLE AS OTHER CREWS HAVE INFORMED. I FEEL THEY NEED TO BE MORE PRECISE ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT AT KNOXVILLE APCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.