PA46 trainee with instructor pilot enters dtw class B airspace without clearance.

Attributes
ACN	415850
Time
Date	199810
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : yip
State Reference	MI
Altitude	msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : dtw tower : yip
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Piper Single Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 1750 flight time type : 1
ASRS Report	415850
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : cfi
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

I was taking a demonstration flight in a piper malibu, departing willow run airport. We advised tower that we were departing VFR to the northwest for some training. We climbed to 6000 ft while discussing aircraft system, and began maneuvering about 20 mi west of yip. We started questioning if we may have climbed too fast and penetrated detroit's class B airspace. On checking in the detroit approach for VFR advisories, we were given a transponder code and nothing was said.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PA46 TRAINEE WITH INSTRUCTOR PLT ENTERS DTW CLASS B AIRSPACE WITHOUT CLRNC.

Narrative: I WAS TAKING A DEMO FLT IN A PIPER MALIBU, DEPARTING WILLOW RUN ARPT. WE ADVISED TWR THAT WE WERE DEPARTING VFR TO THE NW FOR SOME TRAINING. WE CLBED TO 6000 FT WHILE DISCUSSING ACFT SYS, AND BEGAN MANEUVERING ABOUT 20 MI W OF YIP. WE STARTED QUESTIONING IF WE MAY HAVE CLBED TOO FAST AND PENETRATED DETROIT'S CLASS B AIRSPACE. ON CHKING IN THE DETROIT APCH FOR VFR ADVISORIES, WE WERE GIVEN A XPONDER CODE AND NOTHING WAS SAID.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.