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A PA24-140 pilot has an near midair collision with an unexpected cessna in the traffic pattern. The cessna was under the cherokee and therefore neither pilot saw each other during their turn into the traffic pattern.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 410543 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199808 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : hpn |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 1500 agl bound upper : 1500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : hpn |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Cessna Single Piston Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 700 flight time type : 650 |
| ASRS Report | 410543 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 200 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was doing touch and goes in the pattern at hpn in my low wing piper and was turning from crosswind to downwind. A cessna high wing entered the pattern (low and below me) as I was turning. Both of us were under tower control at the time. The cessna was to enter at mid field but did not. Because we were both turning, our wings blocked visibility.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA24-140 PLT HAS AN NMAC WITH AN UNEXPECTED CESSNA IN THE TFC PATTERN. THE CESSNA WAS UNDER THE CHEROKEE AND THEREFORE NEITHER PLT SAW EACH OTHER DURING THEIR TURN INTO THE TFC PATTERN.
Narrative: I WAS DOING TOUCH AND GOES IN THE PATTERN AT HPN IN MY LOW WING PIPER AND WAS TURNING FROM XWIND TO DOWNWIND. A CESSNA HIGH WING ENTERED THE PATTERN (LOW AND BELOW ME) AS I WAS TURNING. BOTH OF US WERE UNDER TWR CTL AT THE TIME. THE CESSNA WAS TO ENTER AT MID FIELD BUT DID NOT. BECAUSE WE WERE BOTH TURNING, OUR WINGS BLOCKED VISIBILITY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.