<< >> NASA ASRS Report 410280, August 1998

Flight crew in LR60 was cleared for a visual approach to orf airport to maintain 2000 ft until final. The crew turned toward the airport and began descending.

Attributes
ACN	410280
Time
Date	199808
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : orf
State Reference	VA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 1700 msl bound upper : 2000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : orf
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Learjet 60
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	cruise other descent other
Route In Use	approach : visual
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 3700 flight time type : 900
ASRS Report	410280
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Orf approach assigned us 2000 ft until final then cleared us for the visual runway 7. We turned slightly toward the approach end of runway 7 for a modified final and then began a slow descent out of 2000 ft for phf. Apparently orf approach had intended us to stay more over the shoreline and square our turn to final then descend. Being cleared for the visual, we opted for a slight turn toward the runway. There was no conflict with other aircraft. Perhaps ATC should have asked us to square our turn to final, and perhaps we should have asked him to clarify his instructions. Perhaps visual clrncs should not be given with restrs.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLC IN LR60 WAS CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH TO ORF ARPT TO MAINTAIN 2000 FT UNTIL FINAL. THE CREW TURNED TOWARD THE ARPT AND BEGAN DSNDING.

Narrative: ORF APCH ASSIGNED US 2000 FT UNTIL FINAL THEN CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL RWY 7. WE TURNED SLIGHTLY TOWARD THE APCH END OF RWY 7 FOR A MODIFIED FINAL AND THEN BEGAN A SLOW DSCNT OUT OF 2000 FT FOR PHF. APPARENTLY ORF APCH HAD INTENDED US TO STAY MORE OVER THE SHORELINE AND SQUARE OUR TURN TO FINAL THEN DSND. BEING CLRED FOR THE VISUAL, WE OPTED FOR A SLIGHT TURN TOWARD THE RWY. THERE WAS NO CONFLICT WITH OTHER ACFT. PERHAPS ATC SHOULD HAVE ASKED US TO SQUARE OUR TURN TO FINAL, AND PERHAPS WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED HIM TO CLARIFY HIS INSTRUCTIONS. PERHAPS VISUAL CLRNCS SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN WITH RESTRS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.