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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 409830 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199807 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : las airport : vgt |
| State Reference | NV |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : las tower : vgt |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 26 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 409830 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : non radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I took off from vgt after receiving a las squawk code and frequency from clearance delivery. After taking off from runway 25, I turned right to a 200 degree heading and climbed to 3000 ft. Vgt tower approved my frequency change requested and I called las approach. Las told me I was in radar contact but did not clear me into class B as I was expecting. When my DME showed 6.2 NM from las, I started a right turn since the class B floor drops to the surface at 6 NM. As I moved my finger to the microphone button to request class B clearance, approach told me I was in class B. I acknowledged, continued my turn, checked my DME which showed 6.1 and I doublechked my chart. I told approach that I was showing that class B floor was 4500 ft where I was. He responded that I was in the area where class B floor is at the surface. I apologized and flew out to DME 7.5 and flew a DME arc until receiving a class B clearance. Later I checked my DME against known ground sources and it appeared to be accurate. I don't know why the position discrepancies between my navigation equipment and TRACON's radar.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IT'S MOST LIKELY THE PLT DEPARTED VGT ARPT OFF RWY 7 RATHER THAN RWY 25 AS STATED IN THE RPT. AFTER DEPARTING THE RPTR SAID HE MADE A R TURN TO A HDG OF 200 DEGS AND CLBED TO 3000 FT. USING HIS DME, HE BELIEVED HE WAS REMAINING CLR OF THE LAS CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: I TOOK OFF FROM VGT AFTER RECEIVING A LAS SQUAWK CODE AND FREQ FROM CLRNC DELIVERY. AFTER TAKING OFF FROM RWY 25, I TURNED R TO A 200 DEG HDG AND CLBED TO 3000 FT. VGT TWR APPROVED MY FREQ CHANGE REQUESTED AND I CALLED LAS APCH. LAS TOLD ME I WAS IN RADAR CONTACT BUT DID NOT CLR ME INTO CLASS B AS I WAS EXPECTING. WHEN MY DME SHOWED 6.2 NM FROM LAS, I STARTED A R TURN SINCE THE CLASS B FLOOR DROPS TO THE SURFACE AT 6 NM. AS I MOVED MY FINGER TO THE MIKE BUTTON TO REQUEST CLASS B CLRNC, APCH TOLD ME I WAS IN CLASS B. I ACKNOWLEDGED, CONTINUED MY TURN, CHKED MY DME WHICH SHOWED 6.1 AND I DOUBLECHKED MY CHART. I TOLD APCH THAT I WAS SHOWING THAT CLASS B FLOOR WAS 4500 FT WHERE I WAS. HE RESPONDED THAT I WAS IN THE AREA WHERE CLASS B FLOOR IS AT THE SURFACE. I APOLOGIZED AND FLEW OUT TO DME 7.5 AND FLEW A DME ARC UNTIL RECEIVING A CLASS B CLRNC. LATER I CHKED MY DME AGAINST KNOWN GND SOURCES AND IT APPEARED TO BE ACCURATE. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE POS DISCREPANCIES BTWN MY NAV EQUIP AND TRACON'S RADAR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.