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Pilot in a PA32 over jfk at 7500 ft receiving TA's from N90 sees a large airliner turning about one half mi away at approximately 7200 ft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 409738 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199807 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : jfk |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 7500 msl bound upper : 7500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : jfk |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-32 Cherokee Six/Lance/Saratoga |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 4300 flight time type : 1600 |
| ASRS Report | 409738 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 300 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Just after turning northeast (at 7500 ft) over jfk to 060 degrees to hvn, I saw a large company airliner (may have been air carrier Y) out of the corner of my eye, lower than I was, coming from left to right. Controller called traffic at same time. Airliner pilot said it was a near miss and he was filing a near miss report. His TCASII showed 300 ft. My perception was that it was close. The airliner was turning left in front of me at an altitude about 7200 ft. I thought he was about 1/2 mi in front of me when I first saw him.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT IN A PA32 OVER JFK AT 7500 FT RECEIVING TA'S FROM N90 SEES A LARGE AIRLINER TURNING ABOUT ONE HALF MI AWAY AT APPROX 7200 FT.
Narrative: JUST AFTER TURNING NE (AT 7500 FT) OVER JFK TO 060 DEGS TO HVN, I SAW A LARGE COMPANY AIRLINER (MAY HAVE BEEN ACR Y) OUT OF THE CORNER OF MY EYE, LOWER THAN I WAS, COMING FROM L TO R. CTLR CALLED TFC AT SAME TIME. AIRLINER PLT SAID IT WAS A NEAR MISS AND HE WAS FILING A NEAR MISS RPT. HIS TCASII SHOWED 300 FT. MY PERCEPTION WAS THAT IT WAS CLOSE. THE AIRLINER WAS TURNING L IN FRONT OF ME AT AN ALT ABOUT 7200 FT. I THOUGHT HE WAS ABOUT 1/2 MI IN FRONT OF ME WHEN I FIRST SAW HIM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.