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Air carrier B757 flight crew deviates for WX. ARTCC radar controller makes unnecessary comment about deviation prior to communication xfer to ZOB ARTCC. ZOB controller clears pilot on course.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 408811 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199807 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : slt |
| State Reference | PA |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny artcc : zob |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 408811 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 408810 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
This flight was inbound to slt and talking to ZNY at approximately XA45Z when I advised the controller that we would need to deviate 10 degrees or so to the right to avoid a thunderstorm anvil overhang. He told me that I had to ask before turning and then approved the request. Several mins later he asked how much further we would go before returning direct slt. I told him we had yet to reach the overhang and it would be a bit longer. He replied that we were 'violating everyone else's airspace,' and that no one else was deviating. He then handed us off to ZOB who cleared us direct cxr which was basically straight ahead. I believe the ny controller has confused his job of providing separation of aircraft with my job of determining the best course of action under varying circumstances. TCASII displayed no traffic within 40 mi and I find it hard to believe we violated anyone's airspace let alone everyone's.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR B757 FLC DEVIATES FOR WX. ARTCC RADAR CTLR MAKES UNNECESSARY COMMENT ABOUT DEV PRIOR TO COM XFER TO ZOB ARTCC. ZOB CTLR CLRS PLT ON COURSE.
Narrative: THIS FLT WAS INBOUND TO SLT AND TALKING TO ZNY AT APPROX XA45Z WHEN I ADVISED THE CTLR THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DEVIATE 10 DEGS OR SO TO THE R TO AVOID A TSTM ANVIL OVERHANG. HE TOLD ME THAT I HAD TO ASK BEFORE TURNING AND THEN APPROVED THE REQUEST. SEVERAL MINS LATER HE ASKED HOW MUCH FURTHER WE WOULD GO BEFORE RETURNING DIRECT SLT. I TOLD HIM WE HAD YET TO REACH THE OVERHANG AND IT WOULD BE A BIT LONGER. HE REPLIED THAT WE WERE 'VIOLATING EVERYONE ELSE'S AIRSPACE,' AND THAT NO ONE ELSE WAS DEVIATING. HE THEN HANDED US OFF TO ZOB WHO CLRED US DIRECT CXR WHICH WAS BASICALLY STRAIGHT AHEAD. I BELIEVE THE NY CTLR HAS CONFUSED HIS JOB OF PROVIDING SEPARATION OF ACFT WITH MY JOB OF DETERMINING THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION UNDER VARYING CIRCUMSTANCES. TCASII DISPLAYED NO TFC WITHIN 40 MI AND I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE WE VIOLATED ANYONE'S AIRSPACE LET ALONE EVERYONE'S.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.