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Instructor pilot of a C172 was advised that FSS would not accept his PIREP and that he would have to contact flight watch. Since the common flight frequency does not seem to have coverage at 11500 ft MSL near the buena vista, co, airport, he was unable to provide the mountain pass information for other pilots to use. He also advised that other FSS specialists in the past have taken the information and passed it on to ZDV flight watch.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 406597 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199806 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : 7v1 |
| State Reference | CO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 11500 msl bound upper : 11500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | other other : other pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 53 flight time total : 1182 flight time type : 345 |
| ASRS Report | 406597 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Den radio FSS specialist refused to take PIREP. This was on 122.2 (badger mountain rco). I attempted to give the PIREP and the specialist insisted that I had to give it to flight watch. Flight watch is pretty much useless in the mountains, either due to the locations of the transmitters or the absence of staffing. Many pilots flying normally aspirated equipment and without supplemental oxygen can't climb to the flight levels to make a PIREP. And the PIREPS of use to those pilots (such as the conditions of a mountain pass, the PIREP we were trying to make) are important because they typically are crossing the pass at 1000 ft AGL. I regard den radio's refusal (actually, it's one specialist in particular, I believe, as other den FSS specialists have happily taken PIREPS from me on frequencys other than 122.0) to accept a PIREP as jeopardizing aviation safety. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that he has tried in the past to contact flight watch and was unsuccessful from his local airport area and that other FSS specialists would take his PIREP and relay it to flight watch. He was giving flight instruction at the time and was hopeful that he could demonstrate how to provide other pilots with helpful information.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR PLT OF A C172 WAS ADVISED THAT FSS WOULD NOT ACCEPT HIS PIREP AND THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO CONTACT FLT WATCH. SINCE THE COMMON FLT FREQ DOES NOT SEEM TO HAVE COVERAGE AT 11500 FT MSL NEAR THE BUENA VISTA, CO, ARPT, HE WAS UNABLE TO PROVIDE THE MOUNTAIN PASS INFO FOR OTHER PLTS TO USE. HE ALSO ADVISED THAT OTHER FSS SPECIALISTS IN THE PAST HAVE TAKEN THE INFO AND PASSED IT ON TO ZDV FLT WATCH.
Narrative: DEN RADIO FSS SPECIALIST REFUSED TO TAKE PIREP. THIS WAS ON 122.2 (BADGER MOUNTAIN RCO). I ATTEMPTED TO GIVE THE PIREP AND THE SPECIALIST INSISTED THAT I HAD TO GIVE IT TO FLT WATCH. FLT WATCH IS PRETTY MUCH USELESS IN THE MOUNTAINS, EITHER DUE TO THE LOCATIONS OF THE XMITTERS OR THE ABSENCE OF STAFFING. MANY PLTS FLYING NORMALLY ASPIRATED EQUIP AND WITHOUT SUPPLEMENTAL OXYGEN CAN'T CLB TO THE FLT LEVELS TO MAKE A PIREP. AND THE PIREPS OF USE TO THOSE PLTS (SUCH AS THE CONDITIONS OF A MOUNTAIN PASS, THE PIREP WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE) ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY TYPICALLY ARE XING THE PASS AT 1000 FT AGL. I REGARD DEN RADIO'S REFUSAL (ACTUALLY, IT'S ONE SPECIALIST IN PARTICULAR, I BELIEVE, AS OTHER DEN FSS SPECIALISTS HAVE HAPPILY TAKEN PIREPS FROM ME ON FREQS OTHER THAN 122.0) TO ACCEPT A PIREP AS JEOPARDIZING AVIATION SAFETY. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT HE HAS TRIED IN THE PAST TO CONTACT FLT WATCH AND WAS UNSUCCESSFUL FROM HIS LCL ARPT AREA AND THAT OTHER FSS SPECIALISTS WOULD TAKE HIS PIREP AND RELAY IT TO FLT WATCH. HE WAS GIVING FLT INSTRUCTION AT THE TIME AND WAS HOPEFUL THAT HE COULD DEMONSTRATE HOW TO PROVIDE OTHER PLTS WITH HELPFUL INFO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.