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|Local Time Of Day||1801 To 2400|
|Locale Reference||airport : sgr|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 2000|
msl bound upper : 2000
|Controlling Facilities||tower : sgr|
|Operator||general aviation : personal|
|Make Model Name||Sierra 24|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 91|
|Flight Phase||descent : approach|
|Function||instruction : trainee|
|Qualification||pilot : private|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 20|
flight time total : 107
flight time type : 54
|Function||instruction : instructor|
|Qualification||pilot : instrument|
pilot : commercial
pilot : cfi
|Anomaly||non adherence : clearance|
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
We were flying a training ILS approach (my first attempt) with an instructor in the right seat. We had been training most of the day on VOR tracking, intxns, etc in a cross country environment where I was comfortable and acting as PIC (in order to build cross country time). When we started the approach we were asked by ATC to report outbound on the ILS. Since I had never done an ILS approach and because the instructor told me to do exactly as he says, (I did not have a hood on but was focusing entirely on instruments) I assumed I was now receiving pure dual (and I clearly was). When we turned outbound, I asked when we should report and he said, 'never mind that, fly the plane.' I figured he meant he would report or at least tell me when to. When we crossed hallo intersection (ILS runway 35 sgr), we were too high. The instructor took control of the aircraft and instructed me to report 'short final' (we were approximately 5 mi out), which I did. We were then asked by ATC to execute a missed approach, which we did. I should have reported the turn outbound regardless of the instructor. The instructor should have been paying more attention to the radio.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BE24 SIERRA ACFT WITH RPTR PVT PLT RECEIVING INST TRAINING AND PRACTICE ILS APCH WAS INSTRUCTED TO RPT OUTBOUND. RPTR ASKED INSTRUCTOR WHEN THEY SHOULD CALL AND INSTRUCTOR TOLD TRAINEE NOT TO WORRY, JUST FLY THE ACFT. THEY DIDN'T CALL UNTIL SHORT FINAL.
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING A TRAINING ILS APCH (MY FIRST ATTEMPT) WITH AN INSTRUCTOR IN THE R SEAT. WE HAD BEEN TRAINING MOST OF THE DAY ON VOR TRACKING, INTXNS, ETC IN A XCOUNTRY ENVIRONMENT WHERE I WAS COMFORTABLE AND ACTING AS PIC (IN ORDER TO BUILD XCOUNTRY TIME). WHEN WE STARTED THE APCH WE WERE ASKED BY ATC TO RPT OUTBOUND ON THE ILS. SINCE I HAD NEVER DONE AN ILS APCH AND BECAUSE THE INSTRUCTOR TOLD ME TO DO EXACTLY AS HE SAYS, (I DID NOT HAVE A HOOD ON BUT WAS FOCUSING ENTIRELY ON INSTS) I ASSUMED I WAS NOW RECEIVING PURE DUAL (AND I CLRLY WAS). WHEN WE TURNED OUTBOUND, I ASKED WHEN WE SHOULD RPT AND HE SAID, 'NEVER MIND THAT, FLY THE PLANE.' I FIGURED HE MEANT HE WOULD RPT OR AT LEAST TELL ME WHEN TO. WHEN WE CROSSED HALLO INTXN (ILS RWY 35 SGR), WE WERE TOO HIGH. THE INSTRUCTOR TOOK CTL OF THE ACFT AND INSTRUCTED ME TO RPT 'SHORT FINAL' (WE WERE APPROX 5 MI OUT), WHICH I DID. WE WERE THEN ASKED BY ATC TO EXECUTE A MISSED APCH, WHICH WE DID. I SHOULD HAVE RPTED THE TURN OUTBOUND REGARDLESS OF THE INSTRUCTOR. THE INSTRUCTOR SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAYING MORE ATTN TO THE RADIO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.