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Captain of an large transport failed to start arrival descent after being cleared to a lower altitude resulting in not making crossing altitude. He did warn ARTCC radar controller of the error to which the controller said that there was no problem.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 401240 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199804 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : fjc |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 15500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : zny |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 7000 |
| ASRS Report | 401240 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 1800 flight time type : 90 |
| ASRS Report | 401127 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On the milton 1 arrival into lga, we were at FL190, and were told to cross 'vibes' at 13000 ft. During our discussion I realized that I had forgotten to start down in time to make our 'vibes' crossing restr. We crossed vibes at 15000 ft and leveled at 13000 ft 5 mi past vibes. I asked the controller if there was any problem with our late descent, and she said 'no problem.' I chose a poor time to discuss further training for the first officer, and next time I will wait until firmly on the ground.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF AN LGT FAILED TO START ARR DSCNT AFTER BEING CLRED TO A LOWER ALT RESULTING IN NOT MAKING XING ALT. HE DID WARN ARTCC RADAR CTLR OF THE ERROR TO WHICH THE CTLR SAID THAT THERE WAS NO PROB.
Narrative: ON THE MILTON 1 ARR INTO LGA, WE WERE AT FL190, AND WERE TOLD TO CROSS 'VIBES' AT 13000 FT. DURING OUR DISCUSSION I REALIZED THAT I HAD FORGOTTEN TO START DOWN IN TIME TO MAKE OUR 'VIBES' XING RESTR. WE CROSSED VIBES AT 15000 FT AND LEVELED AT 13000 FT 5 MI PAST VIBES. I ASKED THE CTLR IF THERE WAS ANY PROB WITH OUR LATE DSCNT, AND SHE SAID 'NO PROB.' I CHOSE A POOR TIME TO DISCUSS FURTHER TRAINING FOR THE FO, AND NEXT TIME I WILL WAIT UNTIL FIRMLY ON THE GND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.