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PA28-161 flight instructor after landing and having trainee's change seats, reporter was in communication with tower, but apparently tower was unsure of their position. No conflicts.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 400000 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199804 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mlb |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee Arrow IV |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 55 flight time total : 390 flight time type : 350 |
| ASRS Report | 400000 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was flying with 2 students for their night currency. We did 2 stop-and-goes followed by a full stop with the first student. As we cleared the runway, tower asked if we wanted to taxi back to the ramp. We replied, 'no, we would like to taxi back to runway 9L for more lndgs after we make a quick seat change?' the tower replied, 'roger, contact me when you are ready.' we then changed seats and began to taxi back to the runway. Tower could not see us, but warned us to watch for a cessna who was going to back- taxi runway 9L to the ramp. Tower then said he did not know where we were. We then turned our landing light on to help him find us. When we got to the end of the runway we informed tower we were ready. Tower cleared us for takeoff and we completed the flight uneventfully. When tower asked where we were it hit me that maybe they wanted us to call before proceeding with our taxi. I am still not sure what the controller was telling us when he said to contact him when ready (ready for takeoff or ready to taxi after the seat change). In the future, I will try and recognize poor communication and try to clarify it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PA28-161 FLT INSTRUCTOR AFTER LNDG AND HAVING TRAINEE'S CHANGE SEATS, RPTR WAS IN COM WITH TWR, BUT APPARENTLY TWR WAS UNSURE OF THEIR POS. NO CONFLICTS.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING WITH 2 STUDENTS FOR THEIR NIGHT CURRENCY. WE DID 2 STOP-AND-GOES FOLLOWED BY A FULL STOP WITH THE FIRST STUDENT. AS WE CLRED THE RWY, TWR ASKED IF WE WANTED TO TAXI BACK TO THE RAMP. WE REPLIED, 'NO, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAXI BACK TO RWY 9L FOR MORE LNDGS AFTER WE MAKE A QUICK SEAT CHANGE?' THE TWR REPLIED, 'ROGER, CONTACT ME WHEN YOU ARE READY.' WE THEN CHANGED SEATS AND BEGAN TO TAXI BACK TO THE RWY. TWR COULD NOT SEE US, BUT WARNED US TO WATCH FOR A CESSNA WHO WAS GOING TO BACK- TAXI RWY 9L TO THE RAMP. TWR THEN SAID HE DID NOT KNOW WHERE WE WERE. WE THEN TURNED OUR LNDG LIGHT ON TO HELP HIM FIND US. WHEN WE GOT TO THE END OF THE RWY WE INFORMED TWR WE WERE READY. TWR CLRED US FOR TKOF AND WE COMPLETED THE FLT UNEVENTFULLY. WHEN TWR ASKED WHERE WE WERE IT HIT ME THAT MAYBE THEY WANTED US TO CALL BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH OUR TAXI. I AM STILL NOT SURE WHAT THE CTLR WAS TELLING US WHEN HE SAID TO CONTACT HIM WHEN READY (READY FOR TKOF OR READY TO TAXI AFTER THE SEAT CHANGE). IN THE FUTURE, I WILL TRY AND RECOGNIZE POOR COM AND TRY TO CLARIFY IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.