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Flight crew of LR35 is unable to stop at hold line to hold short of runway they had to cross during taxi due to poor braking action.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 396653 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199803 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cvg |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : phx |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Learjet 35 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 4100 flight time type : 700 |
| ASRS Report | 396653 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Airport | other physical facility procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Upon returning to cvg we shot the ILS runway 36L, ceiling was approximately 300 ft overcast and visibility about 1 SM. RVR was reported for runway 36L at 4000 ft in snow and blowing snow. After contacting the tower inside the OM, tower reported braking action fair, reported by several previous aircraft. Upon taxiing off the runway, my first officer (who did the landing) reported braking action fair. On our taxi to the FBO we were instructed to hold short of runway 27 for departing traffic. As we approached the hold short line for runway 27, my first officer (who was taxiing) applied the brakes and we started skidding, he released the brakes and reapplied them -- still another skid and then we stopped 1/2 way through the hold short line. As we came to a stop, I looked up and saw the departing aircraft from runway 27 lifting off. There was no conflict with the departing aircraft and just as I was going to report to ground that we skidded 1/2 way through the hold short line, he cleared us to cross runway 27. I did report braking action poor on that taxiway but did not mention sliding 1/2 way through the hold line. We were probably about 10 ft over the line. I took for granted that the braking action was fair on the taxiway since it was fair on the runways. Bad assumption.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF LR35 IS UNABLE TO STOP AT HOLD LINE TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY THEY HAD TO CROSS DURING TAXI DUE TO POOR BRAKING ACTION.
Narrative: UPON RETURNING TO CVG WE SHOT THE ILS RWY 36L, CEILING WAS APPROX 300 FT OVCST AND VISIBILITY ABOUT 1 SM. RVR WAS RPTED FOR RWY 36L AT 4000 FT IN SNOW AND BLOWING SNOW. AFTER CONTACTING THE TWR INSIDE THE OM, TWR RPTED BRAKING ACTION FAIR, RPTED BY SEVERAL PREVIOUS ACFT. UPON TAXIING OFF THE RWY, MY FO (WHO DID THE LNDG) RPTED BRAKING ACTION FAIR. ON OUR TAXI TO THE FBO WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 27 FOR DEPARTING TFC. AS WE APCHED THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 27, MY FO (WHO WAS TAXIING) APPLIED THE BRAKES AND WE STARTED SKIDDING, HE RELEASED THE BRAKES AND REAPPLIED THEM -- STILL ANOTHER SKID AND THEN WE STOPPED 1/2 WAY THROUGH THE HOLD SHORT LINE. AS WE CAME TO A STOP, I LOOKED UP AND SAW THE DEPARTING ACFT FROM RWY 27 LIFTING OFF. THERE WAS NO CONFLICT WITH THE DEPARTING ACFT AND JUST AS I WAS GOING TO RPT TO GND THAT WE SKIDDED 1/2 WAY THROUGH THE HOLD SHORT LINE, HE CLRED US TO CROSS RWY 27. I DID RPT BRAKING ACTION POOR ON THAT TXWY BUT DID NOT MENTION SLIDING 1/2 WAY THROUGH THE HOLD LINE. WE WERE PROBABLY ABOUT 10 FT OVER THE LINE. I TOOK FOR GRANTED THAT THE BRAKING ACTION WAS FAIR ON THE TXWY SINCE IT WAS FAIR ON THE RWYS. BAD ASSUMPTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.