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Flight crew of an large transport landing at jfk, ny, call the runway in sight only to have it disappear into the overcast. Successful approach made despite the visual clearance.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 394280 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199802 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : jfk |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : jfk |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 394280 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : vfr in imc non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Being vectored for runway 4R ILS jfk. Over the ocean at 1500 ft MSL, we were VFR. The runway was in sight. Captain said to call the runway in sight (in anticipation of receiving a visual). I objected that airport was IFR. Captain pressed for the call. I was surprised when approach gave us clearance for a visual. Sure enough, we lost sight of the runway and ended up shooting an actual approach down to about 500 ft AGL. I have flown with this captain for 2 weeks this month, and he is always in a big hurry. I sent in a NASA report last week for pushback onto an active taxiway. I will be glad when this month is over. For my part, I could've been a little firmer in my opposition to the visual. We were not unsafe at any time as we were prepared for the ILS, but it sure was illegal.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN LGT LNDG AT JFK, NY, CALL THE RWY IN SIGHT ONLY TO HAVE IT DISAPPEAR INTO THE OVCST. SUCCESSFUL APCH MADE DESPITE THE VISUAL CLRNC.
Narrative: BEING VECTORED FOR RWY 4R ILS JFK. OVER THE OCEAN AT 1500 FT MSL, WE WERE VFR. THE RWY WAS IN SIGHT. CAPT SAID TO CALL THE RWY IN SIGHT (IN ANTICIPATION OF RECEIVING A VISUAL). I OBJECTED THAT ARPT WAS IFR. CAPT PRESSED FOR THE CALL. I WAS SURPRISED WHEN APCH GAVE US CLRNC FOR A VISUAL. SURE ENOUGH, WE LOST SIGHT OF THE RWY AND ENDED UP SHOOTING AN ACTUAL APCH DOWN TO ABOUT 500 FT AGL. I HAVE FLOWN WITH THIS CAPT FOR 2 WKS THIS MONTH, AND HE IS ALWAYS IN A BIG HURRY. I SENT IN A NASA RPT LAST WK FOR PUSHBACK ONTO AN ACTIVE TXWY. I WILL BE GLAD WHEN THIS MONTH IS OVER. FOR MY PART, I COULD'VE BEEN A LITTLE FIRMER IN MY OPPOSITION TO THE VISUAL. WE WERE NOT UNSAFE AT ANY TIME AS WE WERE PREPARED FOR THE ILS, BUT IT SURE WAS ILLEGAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.